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Delta New 737-900ER Interior
#121
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Changes to the A320 and 757-200 fleet...and a quick overview of the current FC configs:
Aircraft FC Seats
A319 12
717-200 12
737-700 12
A320 16
MD88 16
MD90 16
737-800 16
757-200 Transcon 16
757-200 Interport/Pacific 18
757-200 Domestic/Hawaii 20
737-900ER 20
757-300 24
767-300 30
The 7 iPort a/c will have 2 fewer FC seats due to an additional fwd galley.
Aircraft FC Seats
A319 12
717-200 12
737-700 12
A320 16
MD88 16
MD90 16
737-800 16
757-200 Transcon 16
757-200 Interport/Pacific 18
757-200 Domestic/Hawaii 20
737-900ER 20
757-300 24
767-300 30
The 7 iPort a/c will have 2 fewer FC seats due to an additional fwd galley.
#122
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Everything Delta is doing with regards to first class cabin size and pay-for-use Medallion requirements is all in lock step. Don't think there isn't close collaboration on items like this. One key to all this is what I call misleading marketing and communication - one of the single biggest gripes through this whole message board.
Delta is forcing a minimum spend requirement beginning in 2014. The sell to you is this will help provide the best customers with more of the best perks - ie upgrades - by weeding out the ranks of Diamond and Platinum.
Well this sounds great until you look into the further advancement of the first class up-selling (more still to come). And on some fleets the reduction in first class seating - or the smaller 737-900ER replacing most 757's. Regarding the 757's staying, your odds to upgrade as a Diamond either don't change or maybe get worse - even with the sell, I would even say promise, of more benefit for fewer Medallions. Bait and switch.
And as for the 320 reconfiguration back to F16, it is nice. But there may only be 27 320's flying by the time this is done. A/C up through 3250 are slated for retirement unless Airbus comes up with a life-extension program being sought by Richard. At last check Airbus did not want to do this - and there's speculation that played a part in Airbus hacking prices even lower on the 321 order.
Delta is forcing a minimum spend requirement beginning in 2014. The sell to you is this will help provide the best customers with more of the best perks - ie upgrades - by weeding out the ranks of Diamond and Platinum.
Well this sounds great until you look into the further advancement of the first class up-selling (more still to come). And on some fleets the reduction in first class seating - or the smaller 737-900ER replacing most 757's. Regarding the 757's staying, your odds to upgrade as a Diamond either don't change or maybe get worse - even with the sell, I would even say promise, of more benefit for fewer Medallions. Bait and switch.
And as for the 320 reconfiguration back to F16, it is nice. But there may only be 27 320's flying by the time this is done. A/C up through 3250 are slated for retirement unless Airbus comes up with a life-extension program being sought by Richard. At last check Airbus did not want to do this - and there's speculation that played a part in Airbus hacking prices even lower on the 321 order.
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Changes to the A320 and 757-200 fleet...and a quick overview of the current FC configs:
Aircraft FC Seats
A319 12
717-200 12
737-700 12
A320 16
MD88 16
MD90 16
737-800 16
757-200 Transcon 16
757-200 Interport/Pacific 18
757-200 Domestic/Hawaii 20
737-900ER 20
757-300 24
767-300 30
The 7 iPort a/c will have 2 fewer FC seats due to an additional fwd galley.
Aircraft FC Seats
A319 12
717-200 12
737-700 12
A320 16
MD88 16
MD90 16
737-800 16
757-200 Transcon 16
757-200 Interport/Pacific 18
757-200 Domestic/Hawaii 20
737-900ER 20
757-300 24
767-300 30
The 7 iPort a/c will have 2 fewer FC seats due to an additional fwd galley.
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Questions:
1. Since the mid cabin galley is being removed, will the mid cabin lav be moved forward to behind row 5 of first class? Or will Delta bring the mini-cabin back as in the attached photo -- with less galleys and closets?
2. Will Delta continue to board, where possible, through 2L? Or will Delta install seats at 2L, similar to other airlines' configuration, and board all flights through 1L?
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I just wanted to thank Chris for his active engagement here in the hopes that he isn't beaten down by the relentless negativity coming from some on this thread. Folks want engagement. You got engagement. Top-notch engagement. Unfortunately, some folks seem to think engagement = beat up on DL. Frankly, Chris has given this board more than it deserves on the engagement front.
Chris, please know that some of us are fully aware that there are compromises that have to be made when configuring aircraft, choosing AVOD systems, etc., and that some of those compromises may not break exactly as we would always like.
Chris, please know that some of us are fully aware that there are compromises that have to be made when configuring aircraft, choosing AVOD systems, etc., and that some of those compromises may not break exactly as we would always like.
Thank you, Chris. Apologize for the boorish behavior on here. Many of these folks are obviously NOT business travelers, and obviously have no common decency when it comes to communication. Your input is appreciated, and it is always interesting to see how fluid DL has become to changing market conditions.
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I'm OK with this. In return though I expect an industry leading first class product. However, what has been presented by Delta thus far, barely seems competitive.
- industry lagging pitch of 37"
- well publicized second rate meals and meal times
- personal AVOD technology that can't be used effectively
- use of dirty, floppy curtains as cabin dividers
Delta Air Lines
Cram 'em In and Feed 'em Sky Pesos
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THIS!
Thank you, Chris. Apologize for the boorish behavior on here. Many of these folks are obviously NOT business travelers, and obviously have no common decency when it comes to communication. Your input is appreciated, and it is always interesting to see how fluid DL has become to changing market conditions.
Thank you, Chris. Apologize for the boorish behavior on here. Many of these folks are obviously NOT business travelers, and obviously have no common decency when it comes to communication. Your input is appreciated, and it is always interesting to see how fluid DL has become to changing market conditions.
If we were going for an airline advertising $200 RTs I'd expect to be milked for anything they could get from me, but I'm not that person, and this airline isn't serving my needs.
I'm not saying ad hominems are ok w.r.t. Chris posting, but I have not seen any personal attacks. Repeating the party line and expecting us to lick his/her boots just for stating what we already know and are unhappy about is just silly. Chris is doing his/her job by posting here, pretty sure this is not on Chris's free time.
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THIS!
Thank you, Chris. Apologize for the boorish behavior on here. Many of these folks are obviously NOT business travelers, and obviously have no common decency when it comes to communication. Your input is appreciated, and it is always interesting to see how fluid DL has become to changing market conditions.
Thank you, Chris. Apologize for the boorish behavior on here. Many of these folks are obviously NOT business travelers, and obviously have no common decency when it comes to communication. Your input is appreciated, and it is always interesting to see how fluid DL has become to changing market conditions.
"Many of the folks" on here ARE business travelers. And most of the folks on here think that Chris is doing an outstanding job providing useful and interesting information from Delta. He has always presented himself in a professional and helpful manner. We applaud his efforts and want his presence to continue.
No one is taking their displeasure, disappointment, frustration out on Chris. He represents Delta and is simply a conduit of information. We expect him to synthesize the comments, positive and negative, and provide them to the appropriate resources within Delta that have authority to execute change -- whether we agree with it or not.
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To paraphrase the great William Shatner: get a life, it is just a damn airline.
I'm not saying ad hominems are ok w.r.t. Chris posting, but I have not seen any personal attacks. Repeating the party line and expecting us to lick his/her boots just for stating what we already know and are unhappy about is just silly. Chris is doing his/her job by posting here, pretty sure this is not on Chris's free time.
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Are there people that travel for work here? Absolutely. Does that mean that the average person here is a capable businessperson making multi-million dollar decisions? Probably not. Most of the analysis of the business side of DL's decisions are, IMO, woefully lacking.
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Sad to see the best narrow body cabin, between doors 1L/R and 2 L/R go away. I think most of us thought it would stay around as long as Delta was flying the 757.
Questions:
1. Since the mid cabin galley is being removed, will the mid cabin lav be moved forward to behind row 5 of first class? Or will Delta bring the mini-cabin back as in the attached photo -- with less galleys and closets?
2. Will Delta continue to board, where possible, through 2L? Or will Delta install seats at 2L, similar to other airlines' configuration, and board all flights through 1L?
[IMG][/IMG]
Questions:
1. Since the mid cabin galley is being removed, will the mid cabin lav be moved forward to behind row 5 of first class? Or will Delta bring the mini-cabin back as in the attached photo -- with less galleys and closets?
2. Will Delta continue to board, where possible, through 2L? Or will Delta install seats at 2L, similar to other airlines' configuration, and board all flights through 1L?
[IMG][/IMG]
#132
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THIS!
Thank you, Chris. Apologize for the boorish behavior on here. Many of these folks are obviously NOT business travelers, and obviously have no common decency when it comes to communication. Your input is appreciated, and it is always interesting to see how fluid DL has become to changing market conditions.
Thank you, Chris. Apologize for the boorish behavior on here. Many of these folks are obviously NOT business travelers, and obviously have no common decency when it comes to communication. Your input is appreciated, and it is always interesting to see how fluid DL has become to changing market conditions.
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I'm not saying ad hominems are ok w.r.t. Chris posting, but I have not seen any personal attacks. Repeating the party line and expecting us to lick his/her boots just for stating what we already know and are unhappy about is just silly. Chris is doing his/her job by posting here, pretty sure this is not on Chris's free time.
#134
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Chris....why are the 757-200 aircraft having First seats removed...?
It would seem awkward to have 2 rows of EC after 5 rows of First left of the 2L door..those people in EC would want First service but would be constantly ignored and skipped over..if theres room for 7 rows why not leave them all First....it does not seem like it will flow too well...maybe someone can reconsider if this really makes sense..?
It would seem awkward to have 2 rows of EC after 5 rows of First left of the 2L door..those people in EC would want First service but would be constantly ignored and skipped over..if theres room for 7 rows why not leave them all First....it does not seem like it will flow too well...maybe someone can reconsider if this really makes sense..?
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My, how times change.
Chris, I do appreciate your posting here and we recognize that a lot can change in 3 years. Quoting your post above is not meant to be disrespectful.
With Delta removing FC seats, I am wondering about the long term outlook for FCM.
David
Wanted to make sure you all saw this announcement this morning:
Delta Continues Expansion of First Class on Domestic Flights
Airline increases First Class seating by 13 percent, creating up to one million new upgrade opportunities annually for SkyMiles members
http://multivu.prnewswire.com/mnr/delta/47794/
Discuss and enjoy!
Delta Continues Expansion of First Class on Domestic Flights
Airline increases First Class seating by 13 percent, creating up to one million new upgrade opportunities annually for SkyMiles members
http://multivu.prnewswire.com/mnr/delta/47794/
Discuss and enjoy!
With Delta removing FC seats, I am wondering about the long term outlook for FCM.
David
Last edited by DiverDave; Nov 6, 2013 at 10:13 am