Delta 764

Just for curiosity, I would like to know, what are the fare codes for refundable fares?

Here is what I know:
Coach - Y fares, and some B fares
Business - J fares, and I think some C Fares
First - F fares

I was wondering, are there any refundable P fares? And what about W (Economy Comfort) fares?

3Cforme

Fare codes aren't enough. One needs full fare rules.

WidgetKid

You've pretty much covered it I believe. I'm not positive, but I think some M fares may be refundable also. As is previously mentioned though, you need the fare rules to be certain of anything.

No, there are no refundable P fares AFAIK.

Also, there is no such thing as a W fare on DL. Economy comfort is not something you purchase directly, but rather after you have a already purchased your ticket and as such it doesn't have its own fare class. W is premium economy, but on AF where it is atually a separate class of service.

MSPeconomist

I have seen refundable and nonrefundable P fares, sometimes for the same flight but at very different prices.

MSPeconomist

The W fare on DL is used for PV in AF codeshare flights. You can buy these on delta.dumb by doing advanced search by fare code. It tends not to work if you have non-AF segments on the same ticket; then you need to call DL.

WidgetKid

Correct, but there is no DL operated flight that will have a W fare.

MSPeconomist

True but as I said, DL sells W fares on some DL marketed AF operated flights.

c_d

Unfortunately it is quite the opposite. Although there is no cabin on DL metal that directly resembles PV on AF, DL still chose to have their very own W-fares with its own conditions and rules and does not simply take over the AF fare rules. It CAN happen that you get a DL-operated flight in W (or A).

I learned that the very hard way when I booked a bloody expensive "W" on AF and had it processed (reissued several times) on DL for SWU's. My originally refundable and changeable W fare was turned to a non-changeable/non-refundable fare with a 90-day max stay constraint in the process. AF couldn't help me and DL wouldn't. Use EF or ITA Matrix to search for the fare rules on AF and DL in order to see the significant differences.

Unfortunately, whenever I click on fare rules while booking on DL.com, I get an error.

MSPeconomist

AFAIK you cannot do an upgrade on a codeshare, so I suspect that DL reissued your ticket using as AF flight number when they processed the upgrade. At this time, they would have converted the DL W fare to some AF PV fare code. They should have warned you and given you the option to up fare into a refundable PV fare class on AF, which probably would have cost more money.

rylan

You really need the full fare rules and not just the letter. For example, I've seen F fares that were non-refundable when I dug into the rules, and seen some lower fares that were refundable with a $$ penalty.

RMAnalystATL

Just to give some insight into refundable fares on the domestic US side, it does not go by the booking class but rather the fare basis code. Many people assume that just because it is a B fare or even a Y fare that it is refundable. Domestically, a refundable fare will be indicated in the fare basis code as such:

On eight character fare basis codes (most domestic ones are) the 7th character will indicate if it is refundable or not. An R, X, Y or Z in this place would indicate that the fare is refundable. An N, U, V or O would indicate non-refundable. Here are a few examples:

KA00A0RA = Refundable
KA00A0NA = Non-refundable

HA07UPXQ = Refundable
HA07UPVQ = Non-refundable

Then there are the full fares like Y, F, Y0 and F0 which are always refundable unless followed by an N or have an eight character fare basis code.

Y0 = Refundable
Y0N = Non-refundable
YA00A0RQ = Refundable
YA00A0NQ = Non-refundable

So there really is no way to simply say that any fare class is going to be refundable. In general, the likelihood of a Y, B or M fare being refundable is much higher than a H, Q, K, L, U, T or E but there definitely are Y and B fares that are non-refundable and lower fare classes that are refundable. This is true for domestic pricing, international has a different construction of fare basis codes.

It is always best to read the fare rules though, they will spell out refund and change fee policies! Hope that helps!

mikena

is there any way to check rules for B fare purchased on Delta web site other than calling Delta?
thx

MSPeconomist

In the past, it would have been easy to check the fare rules on EF.

The problem with calling DL is that you cannot really trust agents to give you the correct information, not is whatever they say binding when you later need to invoke the fare rules.

3Cforme

There is no single 'B fare rule.' The is fare rule B......... that books into B inventory between city pair xxx and yyy purchased in country zz.

Hyperlinks at purchase (at least for DL-operated segments) are commonly available to Detailed Fare Rules. The really well organized traveler will save these rules.

mikena

thanks, will try to ask in recent MSP-Wenatchee thread, maybe somebody can share