Delta overtakes AA at RDU
#46
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Delta said in the TBJ article that they "might" make LAX a seasonal route and thus bring it back in the spring.
I'm going to write/email/call Delta and tell them I'd fly the RDU-LAX nonstop at least 10x next year (they have records of the trips I've made from RDU-LAX, and it can't hurt in any case, right?). What's the best way to contact them for this specific request?
I'm going to write/email/call Delta and tell them I'd fly the RDU-LAX nonstop at least 10x next year (they have records of the trips I've made from RDU-LAX, and it can't hurt in any case, right?). What's the best way to contact them for this specific request?
Clearly RDU-LAX is/was not profitable the first time around, nor is there any reason to suggest that if they were to bring it back, the results would be any different. If you want a direct flight to LAX, your best bet is to move out of the sleepy RDU area and move into a larger metropolitan area or even move to Charlotte and fly the direct on USAirways.
#47
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You'd be wasting your time. They'll literally delete your e-mail and think nothing of it. Routes arent decided by anecdotal e-mails sent by flyers. They are done based on research, contracts with corporations, and fairly in-depth studies by Planning departments and network optimization groups.
Clearly RDU-LAX is/was not profitable the first time around, nor is there any reason to suggest that if they were to bring it back, the results would be any different. If you want a direct flight to LAX, your best bet is to move out of the sleepy RDU area and move into a larger metropolitan area or even move to Charlotte and fly the direct on USAirways.
Clearly RDU-LAX is/was not profitable the first time around, nor is there any reason to suggest that if they were to bring it back, the results would be any different. If you want a direct flight to LAX, your best bet is to move out of the sleepy RDU area and move into a larger metropolitan area or even move to Charlotte and fly the direct on USAirways.
However the business community here in RDU/Triangle area seems to be unified in demand for RDU-LAX. I am really not sure how either Delta, AA or WN can't make it work. I don't think DL help themselves making it a red-eye return.
Likewise given size of the hub I can't see how DL could not make SLC work. Like I said before if WN can make DEN of all places work fine DAILY for years I am pretty sure DL can make a success of SLC
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And on that note, DL better start it before WN jumps in and starts either LAX-RDU or SLC-RDU. They have the feed at all three airports - I think it is just a matter of time.
#49
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LOL
However the business community here in RDU/Triangle area seems to be unified in demand for RDU-LAX. I am really not sure how either Delta, AA or WN can't make it work. I don't think DL help themselves making it a red-eye return.
Likewise given size of the hub I can't see how DL could not make SLC work. Like I said before if WN can make DEN of all places work fine DAILY for years I am pretty sure DL can make a success of SLC
However the business community here in RDU/Triangle area seems to be unified in demand for RDU-LAX. I am really not sure how either Delta, AA or WN can't make it work. I don't think DL help themselves making it a red-eye return.
Likewise given size of the hub I can't see how DL could not make SLC work. Like I said before if WN can make DEN of all places work fine DAILY for years I am pretty sure DL can make a success of SLC
Having lived in ATL for 15 years before I moved here, I would not call RDU "sleepy." DL apparently thought is was worth trying to seize with the DMQM promotion, but I believe they would have better luck keeping long-term business here with a direct flight to points west. I keep hoping that maybe AS will pick up the RDU-LAX slack -- it would be a good second choice.
Of course,there was also the evanescent RDU-CDG, but that's another topic.
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Having lived in ATL for 15 years before I moved here, I would not call RDU "sleepy." DL apparently thought is was worth trying to seize with the DMQM promotion, but I believe they would have better luck keeping long-term business here with a direct flight to points west.
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But the question is - is it worth it for Delta to compete for these extremely small western cities? Most likely not. While sleepy may be an over-exageration, RDU is far from being a major metropolis that has enough business traffic that could warrant the thought that there's a lot of passengers originating there that want to go to Santa Barbara, Montana, or somewhere in Idaho. I'll concede though, that a RDU-SLC seems like it should have been implemented. It would've been far more useful than RDU-LAX, and at least would make western connections easier, and give more options to the passengers of RDU.
they had the DMQM promotion because RDU is an awesome feeder city for ATL, just like BNA is to ATL, PIT to DTW, and STL to MEM/CVG. These cities help keep their nearby hub flights full. If they cant keep LAX-RDU full, all they are doing is cannibalizing the LAX-ATL flight and losing money in flying a flight with poor loads on it by keeping that route on.
#52
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Yet meanwhile they have started up direct flights to MCO, Hartford, Columbus, and St. Louis. There's an interesting take on it here that basically suggests DL has picked up flights that have moderately high traffic but that that no one else seems to want (and thus no competition), but that doesn't explain the new direct to MCO. They must be trying to step up the competition with WN at that airport.
#53
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Wasn't there a term used by AA, something between 'focus city' and just plain 'hub' used to described BNA and RDU when AA was building them up? I seem to recall that the strategy in both BNA and RDU involved a a lot of F100's, recognizing that they needed smaller aircraft to make these cities work.
Apparently the goal was to focus on underused airports in fairly large metropolitan areas to service a moderate amount of flights with minimal delays. They were counting on a fairly large percentage of originating/terminating passengers (considered a requirement for any hub by most airlines).
RDU had precision runway monitoring equipment during the AA era, which allowed them to use instrument approaches to both runways simultaneously. RDU cannot do this using standard equipment, as the runways are not as far apart as say, ATL, DFW, or DEN.
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#54
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Not a word, and if it were it'd be misspelled.
It would sure be nice to have a direct flight to the west coast out of RDU. I don't think I'm going to *move* to get it, thanks.
It's good to know that here on FT we have not just service personnel but someone with a direct ear to *all* of the decision-makers at *all* the major airlines: someone who really knows how it's done. And who knows how to read for context, and read the source material others have posted elsewhere noting, for example, that the route in question *was* good for the airline in season.
You must be so proud!
It would sure be nice to have a direct flight to the west coast out of RDU. I don't think I'm going to *move* to get it, thanks.
It's good to know that here on FT we have not just service personnel but someone with a direct ear to *all* of the decision-makers at *all* the major airlines: someone who really knows how it's done. And who knows how to read for context, and read the source material others have posted elsewhere noting, for example, that the route in question *was* good for the airline in season.
You must be so proud!
#55
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Nonstop RDU-LAX is nice, but when it's only one flight a day (and a red-eye on the eastbound) it means a lot of travelers are going to have to pass if their schedules don't match those of the one-and-only nonstop.
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I still don't get though why RDU-SLC was taken away. As you point out travelers will use the alternative connections to west coast so plenty of LAX and SFO traffic would go through, as well as other smaller west coast destinations. I guess DL figure that going through ATL is a wash, but still cannot believe they cannot squeeze in one or even two dailies to their hub in Utah
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Agreed that an early morning outbound with early afternoon return would be much more useful.
I still don't get though why RDU-SLC was taken away. As you point out travelers will use the alternative connections to west coast so plenty of LAX and SFO traffic would go through, as well as other smaller west coast destinations. I guess DL figure that going through ATL is a wash, but still cannot believe they cannot squeeze in one or even two dailies to their hub in Utah
I still don't get though why RDU-SLC was taken away. As you point out travelers will use the alternative connections to west coast so plenty of LAX and SFO traffic would go through, as well as other smaller west coast destinations. I guess DL figure that going through ATL is a wash, but still cannot believe they cannot squeeze in one or even two dailies to their hub in Utah
#58
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DL could go along way to keeping me at RDU once the mileage promotion ends by improving the baggage unload - which seems to consistently be the worst in the system. A 30-40 minute wait is not unusual in the evening. Not sure if it is a terminal 2 layout problem, or a staffing and commitment problem but the result is pretty bad. On an arrival on US at terminal 1 earlier this week bags were out in < 10 minutes.
On a side note, the same contractor brings the planes over in the morning from the overnight parking area and they are known to bring the wrong plane over way too often. Really ticks me off when I miss my connection in ATL because an MD88 is brought over when it should be something else. It takes 45 minutes to get it straightened out. Local DL staff are not happy with them either.
#59
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Whatever happened to RDU-CDG? I remember that they announced it (and I was psyched) and then a couple months later said they were delaying it, and then we never heard about it again. Why go through all that work when nothing ever came of it? And I assume no chance we'll be seeing it in the nearish future?
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Whatever happened to RDU-CDG? I remember that they announced it (and I was psyched) and then a couple months later said they were delaying it, and then we never heard about it again. Why go through all that work when nothing ever came of it? And I assume no chance we'll be seeing it in the nearish future?
We know that there are some economic ties that make the AA RDU-LON flight viable. What are the ties between the Triangle and PAR that might make this route possible? ....specifically what would assure paid full seats in the forward cabin? and let's face it, CDG is a horrible connecting airport for pax continuing with an AF flight.