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Old Feb 26, 2014, 7:28 am
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Is the 91 day rule set in stone?

Generally I always try to follow the 91 day rule between credit cards (messed up once last year), but I really don't want to miss out on the 100k AA card because of it.

Me and my SO last cards for the past year are as follows:

1/4/13 SO - Barclay
3/21/13 Me - AmEx
3/21/13 Me - Barclay
10/14/13 Me - Chase
10/14/13 Me - Chase
12/14/13 SO - Chase
12/30/13 Me - Chase

We both have 760+ credit scores and no need for a great score any time soon. We own a home and are not in the market for a new car.

Could we both safely sign up for two cards right now?

My SO would sign up for the 80k IHG and the 40k Hilton. I would sign up for the 80k IHG and the 100k AA.

What do you guys think?
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Old Feb 26, 2014, 7:43 am
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Originally Posted by Dest
Generally I always try to follow the 91 day rule between credit cards (messed up once last year), but I really don't want to miss out on the 100k AA card because of it.

Me and my SO last cards for the past year are as follows:

1/4/13 SO - Barclay
3/21/13 Me - AmEx
3/21/13 Me - Barclay
10/14/13 Me - Chase
10/14/13 Me - Chase
12/14/13 SO - Chase
12/30/13 Me - Chase

We both have 760+ credit scores and no need for a great score any time soon. We own a home and are not in the market for a new car.

Could we both safely sign up for two cards right now?

My SO would sign up for the 80k IHG and the 40k Hilton. I would sign up for the 80k IHG and the 100k AA.

What do you guys think?
I believe the 91 day "rule" is more of a guideline. I have a high credit score as well and don't need a great one anytime soon, and while I will frequently do 4-6 apps every few months, I will spring for a limited time offer if it comes up. I've never had an experience that makes me believe that you would be rejected. It's been 2.5 months since your SO got a Chase card, so you'll probably be okay there, and you haven't had any Citi applications in the past year either.
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Old Feb 26, 2014, 7:48 am
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It's really YMMV. I've applied for several CC's and a car refinance within the last 2 months and haven't been denied for anything. I am done for a while though until the next great offer comes along. I won't hesitate to apply for it even if I am not at the "91" day mark. Here's my recent apps for reference:

1/1 Auto Refinance
1/1 DCU Visa $7.5K (was auto approved when I refinanced my Auto Loan)
1/17 Amex SPG $6.4K
1/21 SW Plus $9K
1/21 SW Premier $12K
2/08 AA Executive $13K
2/25 Chase IHG $3K
2/25 AA Executive $10.5K

Credit score on 1/1 was 722. Credit score as of 2/14: 751.
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Old Feb 26, 2014, 8:06 am
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Thanks for the advice guys. I went for it and was approved for both the Citi AA card and the Chase IHG.
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Old Feb 26, 2014, 1:25 pm
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Originally Posted by Dest
Generally I always try to follow the 91 day rule between credit cards (messed up once last year), but I really don't want to miss out on the 100k AA card because of it.
I've never even heard of a 91 day rule / guideline before. Perhaps it has more to do with AORs than one-at-a-time applying?

However, there are some bank-specific rules. The ones I know are the Citi ones: At least 8+ days between your first app and your second one, and at least 65+ days between your first app and your third one (ie, no more than 2 Citi apps in any 65-day period).

Then there are inquiry rules that are also bank-specific. The one I know is Citi's, where they typically will reject you if you have more than 6 hard pulls showing in the past 6 months on whichever bureau's report they happen to pull.

Please note that 91+91 days is essentially 6 months, so part of it may be to space AOR pulls far enough part to not upset banks who care only about the last 6 months of pulls. But obviously this would not matter if you're not AORing and only applying for a few cards every 6 months anyway.

AOR = App-o-Rama = applying for a bunch of cards at one time. Some people do an AOR, then take a rest, then do another AOR, then take a rest, etc. For them, because they're applying for some many cards at one time, the timing between AORs can be critical. For those who only apply for one card at a time and only a handful of cards in any 6 month period, most of these "rules" that AORer's come up with are irrelevant.
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Old Feb 26, 2014, 1:31 pm
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Originally Posted by Dest
Thanks for the advice guys. I went for it and was approved for both the Citi AA card and the Chase IHG.
Congrats!
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Old Feb 26, 2014, 4:50 pm
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You should probably be fine. Citi seems to be giving those cards out like candy.
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Old Feb 26, 2014, 5:11 pm
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Is the 91 day rule set in stone?

Citi disapproved me for too many inquiries and too many recent accounts. 785 FICO
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Old Feb 26, 2014, 7:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Dest
Generally I always try to follow the 91 day rule between credit cards (messed up once last year), but I really don't want to miss out on the 100k AA card because of it.

Me and my SO last cards for the past year are as follows:

1/4/13 SO - Barclay
3/21/13 Me - AmEx
3/21/13 Me - Barclay
10/14/13 Me - Chase
10/14/13 Me - Chase
12/14/13 SO - Chase
12/30/13 Me - Chase

We both have 760+ credit scores and no need for a great score any time soon. We own a home and are not in the market for a new car.

Could we both safely sign up for two cards right now?

My SO would sign up for the 80k IHG and the 40k Hilton. I would sign up for the 80k IHG and the 100k AA.

What do you guys think?
I typically wait 90+ days between AOR's, but when a deal like the 100k AA comes along then that goes out the window and I apply. I will just push back my next AOR a little bit now. From your dates I do not not see you following it at all, as only once was there a 90+ day window with no apps. The # of apps you have applied for likely does not matter anyway. Wife and I each do 15+/- apps per year, but with only 5 and 2 apps in a year I see no reason to worry about it
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Old Feb 26, 2014, 9:48 pm
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Originally Posted by chasewalker
It's really YMMV. I've applied for several CC's and a car refinance within the last 2 months and haven't been denied for anything. I am done for a while though until the next great offer comes along. I won't hesitate to apply for it even if I am not at the "91" day mark. Here's my recent apps for reference:

1/1 Auto Refinance
1/1 DCU Visa $7.5K (was auto approved when I refinanced my Auto Loan)
1/17 Amex SPG $6.4K
1/21 SW Plus $9K
1/21 SW Premier $12K
2/08 AA Executive $13K
2/25 Chase IHG $3K
2/25 AA Executive $10.5K

Credit score on 1/1 was 722. Credit score as of 2/14: 751.
How did refinancing a car and applying for 4 credit cards in 6 week period increase your credit score 29 points ?

Is that your FICO score ?
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Old Feb 27, 2014, 5:36 am
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Citi disapproved me for too many inquiries and too many recent accounts. 785 FICO
Maybe they saw your FT name
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Old Feb 27, 2014, 7:01 am
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I've never stuck to the 91 day rule. I apply when I see a good deal, that's it. Only been denied for a card twice.
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Old Feb 27, 2014, 7:43 pm
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Originally Posted by Dest
Thanks for the advice guys. I went for it and was approved for both the Citi AA card and the Chase IHG.
Congrats. ^
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Old Feb 27, 2014, 10:33 pm
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Originally Posted by sdsearch

AOR = App-o-Rama = applying for a bunch of cards at one time. Some people do an AOR, then take a rest, then do another AOR, then take a rest, etc. For them, because they're applying for some many cards at one time, the timing between AORs can be critical. For those who only apply for one card at a time and only a handful of cards in any 6 month period, most of these "rules" that AORer's come up with are irrelevant.
What is the actual reason why people think an AOR is a good idea? Is it the perception that the credit inquiry will not show the inquiries from other credit card applications if they happened within the last few hours? I don't think that is the case, but I don't really know.

Or is it something else that makes AORs at regular intervals a great strategy? I've done a few AORs, but mostly just because the bloggers suggest it, and I don't really know why. I know some people that do one credit application per month, and they do fine. If I was a bank, and the application for my credit card was someone's fifth or sixth that day, I'd surely reject it.
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Old Mar 3, 2014, 7:54 am
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Originally Posted by pointsaddict3326
Congrats!
I'm in the same boat as well. My "91 days" is approaching this Friday, 3/7/14. My challenge is the SWA card promo expires this Wednesday, and I don't want to miss out on the 50k offer. Here's my history:

Me

12/6/13 - Citi AA Plat, $15.5k
12/2/13 - Barclay Arrival, $17.5k
11/5/13 - WF Rewards Visa, $13k
11/5/13 - WF Line of Credit, $15k

Wife

12/6/13 - Citi AA Plat, $8k
12/6/13 - Amex SPG, $10k
12/6/13 - CSP, $20k


March AOR

Me

3/??/14 - Amex Plat, 100k (targeted)
3/??/14 - Citi Exec 100k
3/??/14 - Chase SWA Plus, 50k
3/??/14 - BoA Alaska Air, 30k

Wife

3/??/14 - Barclay Arrival, 40k
3/??/14 - Amex Blue (old)
3/??/14 - Chase SWA Plus, 50k
3/??/14 - BoA Alaska Air, 30k
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