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SEE NEW THREAD - 50K AA Cards


As of Sunday August 25, 2013:
Reports indicate personal cards can no longer be rapidly churned.

Click HERE to review the previous thread on this topic.

Recommended Application Procedure:
Clear cache and cookies prior to applying or use an incognito or private browsing session to apply. Opening multiple different apps in different windows or tabs or failing to clear cookies/cache has resulted in people receiving a lesser offer.

For information on the Executive version of this card, with $450 annual fee, not waived, see: Up to 100k miles Citi Executive AAdvantage offers

MOST CURRENT 50K LINKS:

Citi Personal and Business:50K miles & two Admirals Club one-day passes after $3000 spend in 3 months, $95 fee waived first year.

Citi AA Platinum Personal Mastercard, 50,000 miles after $3k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Landing page available here. This is a CHIP and Signature card.

Landing page for 50K Business and Personal MC requires $3K spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. This page leads to the following application pages:
Landing page for 50K Business and Personal MC after $3K spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. This page leads to the following application pages:
Landing page for 50K Business and Personal MC after $3K spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. This page leads to the following application pages:
Landing page for 50K Business MC after $3K spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. This page leads to this application page.

OTHER PERSONAL CARDS

Citi Platinum Select Mastercard. 30,000 miles after $1k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Up to $100 statement credit for AA purchases. Landing page available here.

Citi Platinum Select Mastercard. 30,000 miles after $1k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year.

Citi Gold Mastercard. 25,000 miles after $750 spend in 3 months. $50 annual fee, waived first year. Landing page available here

If you are already a Citigold customer, read this post from the Miles Professor about another 50K offer from your branch office for the American Airlines credit card.

OTHER BUSINESS CARDS

Citi Business MasterCard. 40,000 miles after $3k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Landing page available here.

Citi Business Mastercard. 35,000 miles after $1.5k spend in 3 months.

Citi Business Mastercard. 30,000 miles after $1k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Landing page available here.

Citi Business Mastercard. 30,000 miles after $1k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Up to $100 statement credit for AA purchases. Landing page available here.


Citibank Contacts/Resources (Please add the others that you know)
  • Application status: https://www.accountonline.com/cards/...?screenID=3187
  • (800) 695-5171 – Personal Application Status and Reconsideration Line with live rep
  • (800) 763-9795 – General Personal Application Inquiries with live rep
  • (800) 645-7240 – Business Application Status and Reconsideration Line, dial option 3 then option 1 for application status
  • (800) 288-4653 – Business Application Status and Reconsideration Line, dial option 3 then option 1 for application status
  • (866) 606-2787 – General Application and Account Questions with live rep
  • (888) 201-4523 – Application status
  • (866) 606-2961 – Reconsideration Line.
  • Twitter : @AskCiti. Very powerful tool.
  • Executive Office - useful for getting a more empowered agent for reconsideration purposes: CitiBank Executive Review Department, P.O. Box 6000, Sioux Falls, SD 57117

FAQ
  1. Are these AA cards churnable?
  2. What are the most current time-restriction rules in applying for all Citi cards?
  3. Do I need to close existing cards before applying?
  4. When should I close existing Citi accounts?
  5. Can I apply for a business card if I don’t have a business?
  6. Can I buy Visa gift cards to meet my minimum spend?
  7. Do I get 10% back when redeeming miles for awards?
  8. Do I have to use my own AAdvantage number on applications?
  9. There is nothing on the application page stating the bonus miles. How do I know what I will be getting?
  10. When will my bonus miles post?
  11. I met the minimum spend. Why does my statement say "Miles Reported to AA: 0"?
  12. Can I cancel a card using secure messaging?
  13. I activated the card online and got a message about this card replacing an old card. What does that mean?
  14. Which credit bureau does Citi pull and can I force them to use a different one?

1. Are these AA cards churnable?
Yes and No. The general rules are:
  • Personal AA cards: As of August 25, 2013 all linked personal AA cards in this thread can be churned only after Citi decides that you are no longer an existing cardmember. This usually occurs between 12 and 26 months after your last successful AA personal card approval of any type including AA Executive card(s). If you want both a Platinum card and an Executive AA card and are eligible under the 12-26 month rule, get the Platinum card first or the Executive card will restart the clock. Although it is not a hard-and-fast rule, 18 months after previous approval is the most common. YMMV. You do not need to cancel old personal cards.
    • Note: You cannot circumvent this rule by applying for a card type different from your previous Citi AA card. If your last personal AA card was a Visa, the waiting period for your next personal AA card will be the same regardless of whether you apply for a Visa, MC, or Amex.

  • Business AA cards: have been churnable repeatedly by some people without restriction other than the general Citi application rules. Apply once every 91-95 days. For unknown reasons, some other people have been unable to churn business cards at all. Also, some (but not all) people need to completely cancel their previous business card (ie, cancel both the card account and the associated master account) before they can apply for another business card.

    Note: If you encounter difficulty in obtaining a Citi AA business card after holding one before, it may because of the unusual way Citi sets up business accounts. The business account per se has its own master number; like a standard MC/Visa, this master account number is 16 digits. In addition, each card on the account has its own 16-digit card number. Each of these numbers, including the number for the primary cardholder, is different from the master account number.

    Sometimes, when you call to close your card account, all the card numbers are canceled but the master account remains open. When this happens, subsequent applications for a business card may encounter difficulty. Online, there should be a dropdown of accounts under your business login; the number that match your card number is your card account, the number that does not match your card number is your master account. When cancelling, ask to cancel both accounts, giving the last 4 digts of each (as shown in that dropdown).


2. What are the most current time-restriction rules in applying for all Citi cards?
  • Only 1 Citi application of any kind per week (8 days to be safe).
  • No more than 2 Citi applications of any kind in 60 days (65 days to be safe).
  • No more than 1 Citi business application in 90 days (95 to be safe). This does not override the rules above.

While the day limits are a little flexible by a few days either way and YMMV, the rules themselves are not flexible. Note: In applying the rules above, count all Citi applications, including denials and/or applications for non-AA cards.

Mixed type Example:
Day 1 60K HHonors Visa
Day 9 or later 50K Personal Platinum Visa
Day 66 or later 50K Business #1
Day 74 or later 60K Executive
Day 161 or later 50K Business #2
18 Months, 74 days or later 50K Personal Platinum Visa

Not sure what day you applied? The date is written year, month, day in the application number: 201402280000 means you applied on Feb 28, 2014


3. Do I need to close existing cards before applying?
No. There is no requirement that you close previous personal accounts. People have reported having 4 or more of the exact same card. However, many people have reported problems getting AA Business cards if they have an open Business account.


4. When should I close existing Citi accounts?
This is a matter of personal preference. Citi cards can be closed immediately after receiving a bonus and paying off the balance. There are no verifiable reports of Citi clawing back miles (exception - miles were clawed back for returned merchandise around November 2011).

Reasons to keep accounts open:
  • Having large credit lines improves your utilization percentage.
  • Maintaining old cards improves average age of cards.
  • Credit lines can be moved from old cards to new cards.
  • Anecdotal evidence suggests that Citi counts the credit lines of recently-closed accounts for 3-6 months against your total available credit.
  • You can receive retention offers once every 6 months per card. See this thread for details on the latest retention offers.

Reasons to close accounts:
  • Having a large amount of available credit with Citi will eventually reduce your chances of instant approval. Your application will automatically be reviewed if your CL's total 75K or more. This may also result in a large disparity between existing account CL's and new CL's, such as 20K, 20K and 1K for a new card, as an example.
  • There is little incentive to pay an annual fee if it is not waived.
  • The annual fee on Business cards is rarely waived.
  • Having a large number of open Citi cards will show up on your credit report and may affect non-Citi applications as well as the overall age of your accounts.


5. Can I apply for a business card if I don’t have a business?
Anyone can apply for a business card. You do not need a registered business with an EIN. If you do not have a business with an EIN or with bills/accounts in the business name, you can apply using your name as the business. The three possibilities are that: 1. You could be approved unconditionally, 2. You could be asked to fax a couple of bills or accounts (water, electricity, gas, cable, or phone bills, bank accounts, etc.) in the name of the business to Citi, or 3. You could be required to fill out and send a 4506-T tax form. Whatever you do do not make up income etc. about the business. Plenty of people have been issued cards for businesses with $0 annual revenue, 1-5 employees, and 0 years in business.


6. Can I buy Visa gift cards to meet my minimum spend?
Purchases from banks are almost always coded as a cash advance regardless of what they are for. Purchases from stores, e.g. CVS, are almost always coded as a purchase.
If you are concerned about it, it’s recommended to send a secure message Citi and have them set your Cash Advance limit to zero. Phone CSRs often say they can not do this.


7. Do I get 10% back when redeeming miles for awards?
It depends. First, the rebate program (which began in April 2012) applies only to holders of these cards:
  • Citi Platinum Select AAdvantage Visa Signature
  • Citi Platinum Select AAdvantage World MasterCard
  • Citi Platinum Select AAdvantage World Elite MasterCard
  • Citi Select AAdvantage American Express
It does not apply to the Citi Gold World MasterCard, Citi Executive products, or some of the Citi Business cards.

Also, the maximum rebate for any cardholder in a single calendar year is 10,000 miles. Having more than one qualifying Citi AA card will not allow you to receive a larger rebate; the restriction applies per AAdvantage account.

For more on the 10% rebate benefit, see Citi 10% miles back / rebate for reward redemption.


8. Do I have to use my own AAdvantage number on applications?
Yes. The name on the card application must match the name on the AAdvantage account. You cannot apply for multiple cards for different people and use the same AAdvantage account number. AA does not care or even know how many Citi accounts you have so there is no harm in having your AAdvantage account number associated with multiple cards in your name. If you forget to add your AAdvantage account number to your application, an AAdvantage account in your name will be created and can later be merged with your existing account by calling AA.


9. There is nothing on the application page stating the bonus miles. How do I know what I will be getting?
You need to have faith in the people here if you want to maximize your miles. The people on this board constantly apply for these cards and report back what they are told are the benefits and what they actually receive. The way Citi works is that if you are approved for a card, you will get the bonus associated with the link you applied under as long as you make the minimum spend. It does not matter if you already had the card or anything else. If you are approved - then you get the bonus. The two exceptions to this are: 1. If you fail to clear your cache and accidentally load a cached application, you get the miles associated with that application and 2. Some people have recently succeeded in 'bumping the bonus' by contacting Citi and requesting a match to a 50K offer after applying for a 40K card. If you don't feel like trusting in the experiences of others, then apply for an offer with a landing page.


10. When will my bonus miles post?
Two working days after the date of the statement containing the charge that takes you across the spend threshold. It posts overnight, it'll be there when you check your AAdvantage account in the morning.


11. I met the minimum spend. Why does my statement say "Miles Reported to AA: 0"?
No one knows exactly why this is happening to some people (Citi blames AA, AA blames Citi, and both blame the merger). It supposedly has something to do with the time it takes them to properly link your AAdvantage number to your card. There are two ways to deal with this:
  • Wait 1-2 statement periods, and see if the points post on their own. Per Citi, it can take this long for the accounts to link.
  • Call AA (1-800-882-8880) and open a case about it. Most people have had their miles post within 2 weeks of doing this.

For ongoing discussion, see Some AA Citi Card miles not transferred to AAdvantage accounts [Q3 2013 - Q1 2014]


12. Can I cancel a card using secure messaging?
Yes, assuming you have set up the credit card in your Citi account. Quick and easy.


13. I activated the card online and got a message about this card replacing an old card. What does that mean?
When activating cards online, Citi normally displays the text:

"This account replaces your old account, which is now closed. Statements for your old account will be available for up to 6 months. Your current account summary and unbilled transactions are now listed under your new account number."
This is normal and is supposed to be displayed when activating a replacement card but it seems to display even when activating a brand new card. This is nothing to worry about.


14. Which credit bureau does Citi pull and can I force them to use a different one?
Citi appears to use Experian most frequently, followed by Equifax. For some people they pull both. It depends on where you are located. You can check the Credit Boards database to see where card issuers have pulled recently.

For the most part, freezing Experian, or another bureau, will not cause Citi to pull a different bureau. They will almost certainly require you to unfreeze the bureau they wish to pull or deny your application. Some people have been successful providing the PIN but others have not. Mostly, freezing a credit bureau in an attempt to force Citi to pull a different one seems to waste time, money, and effort for little result. But YMMV.

For one person's experiences with various card issuers, check here.


For rules and info on any offers that include Admirals club passes or statement credits, see here.
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Citi AA credit cards, except Executive. (2013-2014)

Old Aug 26, 2013, 10:18 am
  #2251  
 
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Originally Posted by midnightinharlem
Hm, I was approved for another card last week and it should arrive today or tomorrow. Will I be fine activating the card and getting the bonus?
Yes, you won't (shouldn't) have any issue getting the card, activating it and getting the miles on completing the spend requirement.

Cheers!
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Old Aug 26, 2013, 10:19 am
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Originally Posted by wagon297
wait 9 days and apply for business one, you should be ok. Like i just got approved for business one today and personal one 8/7/13. good luck

Thanks for the data point. Did you have a prior business card? If so, was it still open, or closed. If closed, when and if open, when did you apply.

Thanks again!
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Old Aug 26, 2013, 10:19 am
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I'm not surprised that they closed the loop for getting 3 of the exact same cards in a 65 day window.

However...I am disappointed that it's leaning towards on AA card every 18 months even on totally different products (AA products anyway).

That will be a bummer if I get say the Platinum AA Visa but can't get the Gold, Platinum MC, etc. for 18 months. It will lessen my AA points year over year for sure.
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Old Aug 26, 2013, 10:41 am
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Originally Posted by beachfan
Thanks for the data point. Did you have a prior business card? If so, was it still open, or closed. If closed, when and if open, when did you apply.

Thanks again!
This is my first citi AA business card ever, but i had multiple Citi cards before and i have 3 personal AA citi card open in last 75 days and all three are still active.
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Old Aug 26, 2013, 11:01 am
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Citi AA credit cards. Best offers now 50k. [Read wikipost first]

Someone please direct me to a post/Wiki for "best practices" when applying for a Citi business card when you have no Tax ID other than a personal SSN and no entity other than myself with reportable income. Thanks.
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Old Aug 26, 2013, 11:06 am
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I have the AA platinum visa since 2009 and applied for the citi hilton in Feb. I am considering the AA platinum MasterCard for my next churn. Is it possible to get a citi business card and a citi personal card on the same day?
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Old Aug 26, 2013, 11:19 am
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Originally Posted by sdsearch
You didn't provide enough details for us to be sure whether it's a form 4056-T letter or a denial letter.

If the 2nd call told her she was denied, then it's a denial letter. (They don't give the reasons for the denial over the phone; they always tell you to wait for the letter.)

If they told her they were sending her a letter with a form she had to fill out and return, then that's likely the form 4056-T.
Originally Posted by 9Benua
Well, I just did it this morning. Thus, I still haven't got any letter yet.
You misunderstood. I didn't mean you hadn't waited for the letter, I meant you hadn't given us clear and detailed enough info about your mom's 2nd conversion with them.

If your mom remembers exactly what she was told, that should be enough information to know whether it's a denial letter or a form to fill out that's coming. They tell you on the call that it's a form to fill out, if it's the 4506-T. So if all they said is "wait for the letter" without mentioning anything about a form to fill out, and they didn't tell her that the app would be reconsidered based on that, then it's virtually certainly a denial letter.

The only thing they don't tell you over the phone is what the contents of a denial letter say. But they do tell whether you're getting a denial letter or a form to fill out, if you're listening carefully.
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Old Aug 26, 2013, 11:23 am
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Originally Posted by frenchie2
I have the AA platinum visa since 2009 and applied for the citi hilton in Feb. I am considering the AA platinum MasterCard for my next churn. Is it possible to get a citi business card and a citi personal card on the same day?
Please read the wikipost above. That's answered there!
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Old Aug 26, 2013, 11:24 am
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I had Citi AA Gold level Personal Mastercard, can I get the bonus if I apply for Citi AA Platinum level Personal Mastercard?
Thanks
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Old Aug 26, 2013, 11:45 am
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Everyone posting right now.... no one on this forum knows your answers for SURE right now, even if they/we think so!

We can guess based on previous rules/restrictions and interpretations of T&C, but with the recent change, people will have to apply and post data points.

Maybe you can get 2 cards in the same day again?
Maybe you can never churn an AA card again?
Maybe it's 18 months for personal cards again? (even though that was never hard coded, just a well proven suggestion)
Maybe you can't churn business cards anymore either?
Maybe some of the links above will still work to churn?


No one right now knows for sure, so it's better to not post questions and take the risk for a card if you're willing. If not willing to take the risk, don't put 100% faith in the answers you receive, b/c realistically, no one knows for sure.
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Old Aug 26, 2013, 11:52 am
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Originally Posted by enn
I had Citi AA Gold level Personal Mastercard, can I get the bonus if I apply for Citi AA Platinum level Personal Mastercard?
Thanks
Welcome to Flyertalk!

Had, as in now closed? If so, you should be fine. If you still have the gold card, we don't have enough info since the rules seem to have changed yesterday.
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Old Aug 26, 2013, 1:11 pm
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Here's a data point.

Never had Citi AA visa. Had a Citi AA Amex (opened ~15 months ago, already closed).

Applied today for the Citi AA visa. Denied because I have had an AAdvantage card in the past.
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Old Aug 26, 2013, 1:46 pm
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Dang!

I was so ready to grab two more AA cards! Is it safe to assume this will not apply to having a personal and a business? Maybe I'll just go for the Business instead. Wondering if the shutdown may have something to do with re-positioning for a new card offering for combined USAir and AA mileage accounts....

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Old Aug 26, 2013, 1:55 pm
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50k mastercard

Longtime lurker. first time poster. As a Data point, In my wife's churn yesterday I decided to play it safe and use the wiki link for 50k AA mastercard as she has had Visa for 17.5 months. Never had MC. It was under review and app. status line above says it was rejected as offer is for first time Aadvantage card holders. I had thought mastercard would be safer after reading some of the first posts yesterday indicating visa was no longer churnable and was very close to old 18 mo. requirement anyway.
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Old Aug 26, 2013, 2:02 pm
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Originally Posted by x712xdamx
Everyone posting right now.... no one on this forum knows your answers for SURE right now, even if they/we think so!

We can guess based on previous rules/restrictions and interpretations of T&C, but with the recent change, people will have to apply and post data points.
This will likely need to be repeated about every 5 posts or so.
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