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Originally Posted by xyzzy
What I got from the post above is that EUA will be running with the new fare classes when it is turned back on. What isn't going to be working for E/I/O are certain web site features (upgrade/standby list displays) and seat assignments.
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Originally Posted by COmciUA
I get that, but I am not flying until the 25th. EUA will be flipped on at some point (tonight or tomorrow according to CO Insider post). In addition, since my S fare was converted to an E fare, according to the same COI post, there will be a delay in getting those new fares worked out. So, I was wondering if someone on a lower fare class could get an EUA over me b/c of the change over. Not a huge deal, but I curious, and I am sure others are wondering too....
I was EUA'd for both flights but i didn't get notice till about two hours after the EUA ran. Great to see that the changes went through smootly and EUA is up and running!
Sorry if this has been asked, but are there any reports of people being gifted upgrades? I have a friend who booked during the update and today he is showing upgraded into I. He was able to select a seat too. I wonder if it will stick. I'm jealous.
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Originally Posted by sbm12
Yes, R is now the old F bucket which is upgrade inventory. And B fares are now upgradable at time of booking for elites like Y fares. You will earn 150% EQM/2 EQP on B fares as they are replacing the old H fares. But B fares should be booking into the CU bucket (formerly AU) without capacity controls.
I am aware of this and this is not what my post was about.
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I would be surprised if CO adds in a B-Up fare that is open to everyone and not just elites. That would be a huge change of policy.
Well then be surprised. But I don't know why you would be or would assume this is a huge change of policy. CO has for the last few years sold discounted coach fares. They booked into "R" inventory and were R-basis fares. Domestically, they usually priced between Y and A. But then you probably are aware of this.
Now CO is offering a "BCOUP" fare on EWR-LAS beginning 1/21/09. Note the first letter and the last two letters of this fare basis: B-UP. It appears similar to the old "R" fares. However, the fare rules as posted on CO.com (which are mostly empty) indicate a "B" Fare Class, but the reservation shows booked into "R" Class. Hence the confusion over how many base miles /EQMs it earns because "R" isn't in the new chart and most customers won't even know the fare basis code begins with "B".
Go ahead. Try it. EWR-LAS on 2/15/09 for example.
FWIW, this B-UP fare is priced between a full Y and full F (like the old "R"). There are also three other "regular" B fares on this route. Starting at $379 o/w nonrefundable and up to $599 o/w for refundable. Then Y is $619, BCOUP $669 and F $719.
Being able to "B-UP" the $379 o/w fare as an elite is a HUGE advantage over the old system. I'm sure this is route-specific but clearly there are cases where the price of a(n upgraded) first class ticket has just dropped dramatically.
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Originally Posted by ijgordon
FWIW, this B-UP fare is priced between a full Y and full F (like the old "R"). There are also three other "regular" B fares on this route. Starting at $379 o/w nonrefundable and up to $599 o/w for refundable. Then Y is $619, BCOUP $669 and F $719.
Being able to "B-UP" the $379 o/w fare as an elite is a HUGE advantage over the old system. I'm sure this is route-specific but clearly there are cases where the price of a(n upgraded) first class ticket has just dropped dramatically.
That's a mistake then (or there are other limitations on that Y fare that don't exist on the B fare). B is beneath Y. It replaces the old H. It prices out less than Y in all the itineraries I've priced it on.
We all know that CO sold a discounted F seat from a bucket called R. They still do but it has a new bucket name.
B is just the new name for H. The big change people are talking about is that it is now instantly upgradeable.
And by the way, I doubt that BCOUP fare basis has anything to do with it being upgradeable (besides the fact that it's in the B bucket). Before the changeover and before these non-Y coach fares were upgradeable, I was buying HCOUP tickets often.
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So what's up with Mileage Award Reservations? I tried to do a mileage award in Virgin UC from EWR to LHR and return. The website shows plenty of savepass awards available, but after selecting flights, I receive the following message "Flight CO8246 is not available for BusinessFirst or First Class seats between New York, NY (JFK) and London, England (LHR - Heathrow)".
Nevertheless, if I click though to the pre-purchase screen and seat selection, it actually shows it as 100,000 miles as if it was UC both ways, and the seat selector shows UC seats. So do I believe the message, my lying eyes, or should I call an agent?
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Originally Posted by ijgordon
I am aware of this and this is not what my post was about.
You did ask about inventory limitations and the fare buckets moving around and what credits you'd get.
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Originally Posted by ijgordon
Well then be surprised. But I don't know why you would be or would assume this is a huge change of policy. CO has for the last few years sold discounted coach fares. They booked into "R" inventory and were R-basis fares. Domestically, they usually priced between Y and A. But then you probably are aware of this.
CO has often sold R fares that are less expensive than full F/J fares, but R fares were sold as a discounted F/J fare, not as a coach fare that was "upped" in some way.
CO has NOT sold coach fares that booked into first for non-CO/NW elites for the past several years. UA, AA and DL definitely have. If CO were to change their policy on this I do think it is a significant change.
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Originally Posted by ijgordon
Now CO is offering a "BCOUP" fare on EWR-LAS beginning 1/21/09. Note the first letter and the last two letters of this fare basis: B-UP. It appears similar to the old "R" fares. However, the fare rules as posted on CO.com (which are mostly empty) indicate a "B" Fare Class, but the reservation shows booked into "R" Class. Hence the confusion over how many base miles /EQMs it earns because "R" isn't in the new chart and most customers won't even know the fare basis code begins with "B".
I see that, but I'm not convinced that it is truly a B-Up for the general public. The R bucket is a reward inventory bucket, not a generally available F bucket in the new scheme. My guess is that this is a vestige of the changes going on this weekend.
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Originally Posted by ijgordon
Being able to "B-UP" the $379 o/w fare as an elite is a HUGE advantage over the old system. I'm sure this is route-specific but clearly there are cases where the price of a(n upgraded) first class ticket has just dropped dramatically.
I agree. That is a great deal.
FWIW, here's the fare rules on BCOUP. It doesn't mention anything at all about booking into R, F or any other first class bucket.
ECONOMY UNRESTRICTED
[RULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS]
NORMAL FARES APPLICATION CLASS OF SERVICE THESE FARES APPLY FOR FIRST/BUSINESS/COACH/OFF
PEAK COACH CLASS SERVICE. TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION
THIS RULE ALSO APPLIES TO JOINT TRANSPORTATION. CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
SEATS ARE LIMITED. VIA B/H/K/L/Q/V TYPE FARES WITHIN THE CONT. U.S. SEATS
ARE LIMITED.
[ELIGIBILITY]
NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
[DAY/TIME]
NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
[SEASONALITY]
NO SEASONAL TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
[FLIGHT APPLICATION]
NO FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
[ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING]
CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL SECTORS. NOTE - TEXT BELOW
NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. STANDBY PERMITTED AT NO CHARGE FOR EARLIER/LATER
SAME DAY FLIGHTS.
[MINIMUM STAY]
NO MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
[MAXIMUM STAY]
NO MAXIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
[STOPOVERS]
NO STOPOVERS PERMITTED. NO STOPOVER OCCURS IF PASSENGER TAKES NEXT AVAILABLE
FLIGHT WITHIN 4 HOURS.
[TRANSFERS]
UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED. - SURFACE AT FARE BREAK AND EMBEDDED SECTORS
PERMITTED EXCEPT FOR PRICING UNITS WITHIN/BETWEEN US AND CANADA
- INCLUDING PR/USV1 - SURFACE AT FARE BREAK IS NOT PERMITTED.
[COMBINATIONS]
ADD-ONS NOT PERMITTED. FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
WITH ANY FARE FOR ANY CARRIER IN ANY RULE AND TARIFF TO FORM SINGLE/DOUBLE
OPEN JAWS/2-COMPONENT ROUND TRIPS/ MULTI-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS.
END-ON-END PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. TRAVEL MUST BE
VIA POINT OF COMBINATION. NOTE - THE CITY PAIRS BELOW ARE CONSIDERED
THE SAME POINT - EFD-HOU EFD-IAH HOU-IAH IAD-DCA LGA-JFK MDW-ORD
[BLACKOUT DATES]
NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY.
[SURCHARGES]
NO SURCHARGE REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
[ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL]
ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED.
[TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS]
VALID FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING ON EACH TRIP ON/AFTER 21JAN09.
[SALES RESTRICTIONS]
FARE RULE NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. TICKETS SOLD
IN VENEZUELA MUST INCLUDE TRVL TO/FROM VENEZUELA ON THE ITINERARY.
TICKETS ARE NON-TRANSFERABLE. TO PURCHASE OR RESELL THIS TICKET FROM/TO
ANY ENTITY OTHER THAN CONTINENTAL AIRLINES INC. OR ITS AUTHORIZED
AGENTS IS NOT PERMITTED. PASSENGERS WILL BE ASKED FOR PHOTO I.D. AT
TIME OF FLIGHT CHECK-IN. IF THE NAME ON THE TICKET AND THE PASSENGERS
I.D. DO NOT MATCH THE PASSENGER WILL BE REQUIRED TO SURRENDER THE TICKET
AND PURCHASE THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR THE DEPARTING FLIGHT. GENERAL
RULE - APPLY UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED
FOR AUTOPRICING. EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY PERMITTED UNDER
GUIDELINES SET FORTH BY CARRIER. CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS.
[PENALTIES]
FARE RULE CHANGES CHANGES PERMITTED. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED
FOR AUTOPRICING. A. UNUSED TICKETS ARE FULLY REFUNDABLE. B. THE UNUSED
PORTION OF A PARTIALLY USED TICKET IS REFUNDABLE TO THE ORIGINAL FORM
OF PAYMENT. WHEN ROUND TRIP FARES WERE ORIGINALLY USED - TO DETERMINE
THE REFUND - REPRICE THE ORIGINAL OUTBOUND AS A OW FARE USING CURRENT
REFUNDABLE OW FARES. ANY RESIDUAL WILL BE REFUNDED TO THE ORIGINAL
FORM OF PAYMENT. CHANGES PERMITTED. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED
FOR AUTOPRICING. 2. CHANGES BEFORE DEPARTURE A. WHEN THERE IS NO
CHANGE TO ORIG/DEST AND/OR STOPOVER POINTS OF THE FARE COMPONENT ONE
OF THE FOLLOWING REPRICING OPTIONS MAY BE USED. I. REPRICE THE ENTIRE
ITINERARY USING THE SAME FARES AS ORIGINALLY TICKETED. II. REPRICE
THE ENTIRE JOURNEY USING CURRENT FARES. ANY DIFFERENCE MUST BE COLLECTED
IF THE NEW FARE IS LOWER/THAN A REFUND TO ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT
WILL BE GIVEN. III. REPRICE KEEPING THE SAME FARES FOR THE UNCHANGED
FARE COMPONENTS. USE CURRENT REFUNDABLE FARES FROM THE BEGINNING
OF THE 1ST CHANGED FARE COMPONENT. ANY DIFFERNCE IN FARE MUST BE COLLECTED.
IF THE TICKET PRICE IS LOWER A REFUND TO THE ORIGINAL FORM
OF PAYMENT WILL BE GIVEN. IV. REPRICE KEEPING THE SAME FARES FOR THE
UNCHANGED FARE COMPONENTS.USE REFUNDABLE FARES THAT WERE IN EFFECT
ON THE DATE OF ISSUE FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE 1ST CHANGED FARE COMPONENT.
ANY DIFFERENCE MUST BE COLLECTED. IF THE TICKET PRICE IS LOWER
A REFUND TO THE ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT WILL BE GIVEN. V. REPRICE
THE ENTIRE JOURNEY USING REFUNDABLE FARES THAT WERE IN EFFECT ON THE
DATE OF ISSUE. ANY DIFFERENCE IN FARE MUST BE COLLECTED. IF THE TICKET
PRICE IS LOWER A REFUND TO THE ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT WILL BE GIVEN
B. WHEN THERE IS A CHANGE TO ORIG/DEST/AND OR STOPOVER POINTS OF
THE FARE COMPONENT. ONE OF THE FOLLOWING REPRICING OPTIONS MAY BE USED
- I. REPRICE THE ENTIRE JOURNEY USING CURRENT FARES. ANY DIFFERENCE
MUST BE COLLECTED. IF THE NEW TICKET PRICE IS LOWER A REFUND TO
THE ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT WILL BE GIVEN. II. REPRICE KEEPING THE
SAME FARES FOR THE THE UNCHANGED FARE COMOPONENTS. USE CURRENT REFUNDABLE
FARES FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE 1ST CHANGED FARE COMPONENT. ANY
DIFFERENCE IN MUST BE COLLECTED. IF THE NEW TICKET PRICE IS LOWER
A REFUND TO THE ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT WILL BE GIVEN. III. REPRICE
KEEPING THE SAME FARES FOR THE UNCHANGED FARE COMPONENTS. USE REFUNDABLE
FARES THAT WERE IN EFFECT ON THE DATE OF ISSUE FROM THE BEGINNING
OF THE 1ST CHANGED FARE COMPONENT. ANY DIFFERENCE IN FARE MUST BE
COLLECTED. IF THE NEW TICKET PRICE IS LOWER A REFUND TO THE ORIGINAL
FORM OF PAYMENT WILL BE GIVEN. IV. REPRICE THE ENTIRE JOURNEY USING
REFUNDABLE FARES THAT WERE IN EFFECT ON THE DATE OF ISSUE. ANY DIFFERENCE
IN FARE MUST BE COLLECTED. IF THE NEW TICKET PRICE IS LOWER A
REFUND TO THE ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT WILL BE GIVEN. B. AFTER DEPARTURE
A. WHEN THERE IS NO CHANGE TO ORIG/DEST AND/OR STOPOVER POINTS OF
THE FARE COMPONENT ONE OF THE FOLLOWING REPRICING OPTIONS MAY BE USED-
I. REPRICE THE ENTIRE ITINERARY USING THE SAME FARES AS ORIGINALLY
TICKETED. II. REPRICE KEEPING THE SAME FARES FOR UNCHANGED FARE COMPONENTS.
USE CURRENT REFUNDABLE FARES FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE 1ST CHANGED
FARE COMPONENT. ANY DIFFERENCE IN FARE MUST BE COLLECTED. IF
THE TICKET PRICE IS LOWER A REFUND TO THE ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT WILL
BE GIVEN. III. REPRICE KEEPING THE SAME FARES FOR THE UNCHANGED FARE
COMPONENTS. USE REFUNDABLE FARES THAT WERE IN EFFECT ON THE DATE
OF ISSUE FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE 1ST CHANGED FARE COMPONENT. ANY
DIFFERENCE IN FARE MUST BE COLLECTED. IF THE TICKET PRICE IS LOWER A
REFUND TO THE ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT WILL BE GIVEN. IV. REPRICE THE
ENTIRE JOURNEY USING REFUNDABLE FARES THAT WERE IN EFFECT ON THE DATE
OF ISSUE. ANY DIFFERENCE IN FARE MUST BE COLLECTED. IF THE TICKET
PRICE IS LOWER A REFUND TO THE ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT WILL BE GIVEN.
V. IGNORE ALL FLOWN SEGMENTS. REPRICE UNFLOWN SEGMENTS USING CURRENT
FARES. B. WHEN THERE IS A CHANGE TO ORIG/DEST AND/OR STOPOVER POINTS
OF THE FARE COMPONENT ONE OF THE FOLLOWING REPRICING OPTIONS MAY
BE USED - I. REPRICE KEEPING THE SAME FARES FOR UNCHANGED FARE COMPONENTS.
USE CURRENT REFUNDABLE FARES FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE 1ST CHANGED
FARE COMPONENT. ANY DIFFERENCE IN FARE MUST BE COLLECTED. IF
THE NEW TICKET PRICE IS LOWER A REFUND TO THE ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT
WILL BE GIVEN II. REPRICE THE ENTIRE ITINERARY USING CURRENT FARES.
ANY DIFFERENCE MUST BE COLLECTED. IF THE NEW FARE IS LOWER A REFUND
TO THE ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT WILL BE GIVEN. III. IGNORE ALL FLOWN
SEGMENTS. REPRICE THE UNFLOWN SEGMENTS AT CURRENT FARE LEVEL. UNFLOWN
SEGMENTS USING CURRENT FARE LEVEL. GENERAL RULE - APPLY UNLESS
OTHERWISE SPECIFIED CANCELLATIONS PER TICKET CHARGE USD 150.00 FOR LOST
TICKET. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. NO SERVICE
CHARGE WILL BE IMPOSED FOR MILITARY PASSENGERS WHEN TRANSPORTATION
IS PAID WITH A U.S. GOVERNMENT TRANSPORTATION REQUEST FORM NO. 1169.
[HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS]
NO HIP OR MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS APPLY.
[TICKET ENDORSEMENTS]
THE ORIGINAL TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED - /-REFUNDABLE-/ - IN THE ENDORSEMENT
BOX.
[CHILDREN DISCOUNTS]
1ST INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - NO CHARGE. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED
ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 18 OR OLDER.
OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE
FARE. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT BY
ADULT PSGR 18 OR OLDER.
[TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR TOUR CONDUCTORS.
[AGENT DISCOUNTS]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR SALE AGENTS.
[ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS]
SRC/SENIOR CITIZEN PSGR - NO DISCOUNT.
[MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS]
NO PROVISIONS APPLY.
[FARE BY RULE]
NOT APPLICABLE.
[GROUPS]
NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY.
[TOURS]
NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY.
[VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY]
NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY.
[DEPOSITS]
NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY.
[VOLUNTARY CHANGES]
NO VOLUNTARY CHANGES DATA FOUND.
[NEGOTIATED FARES]
NOT APPLICABLE. IC.INTERNATIONAL CONSTRUCTION NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE
This info is not a part of Fare Rules. The BCOUP fare is currently [mis-]filed with primary Booking Class A in one place and Booking Class R in another.
KVS isn't showing all flights either. A search of MSY - EWR for 27 Jan, Time (ANY), Limit 50 only gives MSY connecting departures up to 10:35. There are many more that aren't being shown.
KVS isn't showing all flights either. A search of MSY - EWR for 27 Jan, Time (ANY), Limit 50 only gives MSY connecting departures up to 10:35. There are many more that aren't being shown.
but i didn't get notice till about two hours after the EUA ran. Great to see that the changes went through smootly and EUA is up and running!
