Reward trip JFK-(FRA)-SIN - Illegal?
Nov 17, 2009, 11:04 am
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Reward trip JFK-(FRA)-SIN - Illegal?
So, I had a crummy routing (EWR-LAX-BKK-SIN) and I've been calling to get a better one.
Low and behold, today I get offered SQ JFK-SIN with a stop...somewhere. Agent on the phone can't tell me where.
It's the same mileage as my poor routing, and SQ C, so why not?
I look up the flight and it's a stop in FRA.
Does the TATL to SIN make it an illegal reward? Should I care?
David
Low and behold, today I get offered SQ JFK-SIN with a stop...somewhere. Agent on the phone can't tell me where.
It's the same mileage as my poor routing, and SQ C, so why not?
I look up the flight and it's a stop in FRA.
Does the TATL to SIN make it an illegal reward? Should I care?
David
Nov 17, 2009, 11:54 am
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Illegal, no. Invalid, maybe.
If they are willing to ticket it then you should be fine but the official policy was no SE Asia via Europe. There was mention of reconsidering and adding the option via a surcharge perhaps. And others have reported success getting the routing using European carriers and not connecting to Asian carriers once there. But it appears to very much be in flux in terms of what is and is not permitted on any given day.
Illegal, no. Invalid, maybe.
If they are willing to ticket it then you should be fine but the official policy was no SE Asia via Europe. There was mention of reconsidering and adding the option via a surcharge perhaps. And others have reported success getting the routing using European carriers and not connecting to Asian carriers once there. But it appears to very much be in flux in terms of what is and is not permitted on any given day.
Nov 17, 2009, 12:28 pm
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So, I had a crummy routing (EWR-LAX-BKK-SIN) and I've been calling to get a better one.
Low and behold, today I get offered SQ JFK-SIN with a stop...somewhere. Agent on the phone can't tell me where.
It's the same mileage as my poor routing, and SQ C, so why not?
I look up the flight and it's a stop in FRA.
Does the TATL to SIN make it an illegal reward? Should I care?
David
Low and behold, today I get offered SQ JFK-SIN with a stop...somewhere. Agent on the phone can't tell me where.
It's the same mileage as my poor routing, and SQ C, so why not?
I look up the flight and it's a stop in FRA.
Does the TATL to SIN make it an illegal reward? Should I care?
David
Is it on SQ or LH? From what I was told over the last few days you shouldn't have any problems booking this via LH. I did JFK-IST-BKK on TK and back BKK-FRA-BOS on LH and had no problems ticketing this and even getting my seats assigned on TK.
Nov 17, 2009, 1:42 pm
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Maybe the seat came from SQ's codeshare inventory on LH?? I'm curious now, too.
Nov 17, 2009, 1:49 pm
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Interesting that now the only availability on SQ25 (the flight in question) is in F.
I'll give it 24 hours and call SQ to confirm the reservation...
David
Nov 17, 2009, 7:11 pm
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This should be OK as it's a direct flight (one flight number). At least in the UA rules, when booking SQ25 it is considered transpac if booked as JFK-SIN, even though there is a stop in FRA.
Nov 17, 2009, 7:52 pm
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Nov 17, 2009, 7:57 pm
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Nov 17, 2009, 8:35 pm
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Nov 17, 2009, 9:37 pm
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Hopefully CO Insider sees this thread and can clear things up. All 3 agents that I dealt with in booking and ticketing my flight didn't question my itinerary at all. While just a couple of weeks ago as soon as I would mention Asia via Europe they would say NO. I still would like to know why I am not allowed to do an open jaw in Asia with my itinerary (well using TG that is).
Nov 17, 2009, 9:43 pm
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Over and back, the same way ...
Hi, DGilman:
Award flights from JFK to SIN, if routed on SQ 25, will require a return trip only on the reverse flight home SQ 26 SIN to JFK. You will probably not be permitted to fly home across the Pacific as that would constitute a round the world routing. And of course you will not be permitted a stopover in either direction even though the plane will stop for re-fueling; you will simply be required to get off the plane to allow for cleaning and catering in FRA.
As mentioned earlier, this issue has been discussed in depth on the United board. I will not be surprised if Continental now will follow United's rulings in this matter.
Did you actually want to go only to SIN and then return home? Or did you desire a stopover in another city too in SE Asia?
Award flights from JFK to SIN, if routed on SQ 25, will require a return trip only on the reverse flight home SQ 26 SIN to JFK. You will probably not be permitted to fly home across the Pacific as that would constitute a round the world routing. And of course you will not be permitted a stopover in either direction even though the plane will stop for re-fueling; you will simply be required to get off the plane to allow for cleaning and catering in FRA.
As mentioned earlier, this issue has been discussed in depth on the United board. I will not be surprised if Continental now will follow United's rulings in this matter.
Did you actually want to go only to SIN and then return home? Or did you desire a stopover in another city too in SE Asia?
So, I had a crummy routing (EWR-LAX-BKK-SIN) and I've been calling to get a better one.
Low and behold, today I get offered SQ JFK-SIN with a stop...somewhere. Agent on the phone can't tell me where.
It's the same mileage as my poor routing, and SQ C, so why not?
I look up the flight and it's a stop in FRA.
Does the TATL to SIN make it an illegal reward? Should I care?
David
Low and behold, today I get offered SQ JFK-SIN with a stop...somewhere. Agent on the phone can't tell me where.
It's the same mileage as my poor routing, and SQ C, so why not?
I look up the flight and it's a stop in FRA.
Does the TATL to SIN make it an illegal reward? Should I care?
David
Nov 17, 2009, 9:48 pm
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Did not catch that.
What was throwing me off, and what I'm still not sure on, is if direct flights via Europe count (i.e. SQ60/61 IAH-[DME]-SIN.)
FWIW I've been able to book that on UA as a through flight, but I don't know if that's applicable here.
What was throwing me off, and what I'm still not sure on, is if direct flights via Europe count (i.e. SQ60/61 IAH-[DME]-SIN.)
FWIW I've been able to book that on UA as a through flight, but I don't know if that's applicable here.
Nov 17, 2009, 10:16 pm
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As someone who has booked JFK-FRA-SIN on SQ recently, it is a valid routing and it is considered trans-atlantic.
Attempting to book that with a transpac broke the faring.
Sadly, no 77Ws were available, I did try.
Attempting to book that with a transpac broke the faring.
Sadly, no 77Ws were available, I did try.
Nov 18, 2009, 12:49 am
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So, I had a crummy routing (EWR-LAX-BKK-SIN) and I've been calling to get a better one.
Low and behold, today I get offered SQ JFK-SIN with a stop...somewhere. Agent on the phone can't tell me where.
It's the same mileage as my poor routing, and SQ C, so why not?
I look up the flight and it's a stop in FRA.
Does the TATL to SIN make it an illegal reward? Should I care?
David
Low and behold, today I get offered SQ JFK-SIN with a stop...somewhere. Agent on the phone can't tell me where.
It's the same mileage as my poor routing, and SQ C, so why not?
I look up the flight and it's a stop in FRA.
Does the TATL to SIN make it an illegal reward? Should I care?
David
Nov 18, 2009, 4:19 am
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Well then something is broken.
My routing was EWR-LAX-BKK-SIN / TPE-BKK-LAX-EWR (I think Channa came up with that one)
I called to try to get something better and it is now -
EWR-(FRA)-SIN / TPE-BKK-LAX-EWR
The SIN award is on 12/5/09.
I also saw no availability on SQ, using the SQ tools. So I was surprised when this agent gave me the option.
I have a flight this morning but will call SQ this afternoon and confirm the ticket is secured...stay tuned!
My routing was EWR-LAX-BKK-SIN / TPE-BKK-LAX-EWR (I think Channa came up with that one)
I called to try to get something better and it is now -
EWR-(FRA)-SIN / TPE-BKK-LAX-EWR
The SIN award is on 12/5/09.
I also saw no availability on SQ, using the SQ tools. So I was surprised when this agent gave me the option.
I have a flight this morning but will call SQ this afternoon and confirm the ticket is secured...stay tuned!
Hi, DGilman:
Award flights from JFK to SIN, if routed on SQ 25, will require a return trip only on the reverse flight home SQ 26 SIN to JFK. You will probably not be permitted to fly home across the Pacific as that would constitute a round the world routing. And of course you will not be permitted a stopover in either direction even though the plane will stop for re-fueling; you will simply be required to get off the plane to allow for cleaning and catering in FRA.
As mentioned earlier, this issue has been discussed in depth on the United board. I will not be surprised if Continental now will follow United's rulings in this matter.
Did you actually want to go only to SIN and then return home? Or did you desire a stopover in another city too in SE Asia?
Award flights from JFK to SIN, if routed on SQ 25, will require a return trip only on the reverse flight home SQ 26 SIN to JFK. You will probably not be permitted to fly home across the Pacific as that would constitute a round the world routing. And of course you will not be permitted a stopover in either direction even though the plane will stop for re-fueling; you will simply be required to get off the plane to allow for cleaning and catering in FRA.
As mentioned earlier, this issue has been discussed in depth on the United board. I will not be surprised if Continental now will follow United's rulings in this matter.
Did you actually want to go only to SIN and then return home? Or did you desire a stopover in another city too in SE Asia?