chanp

My dad read some article for a 8 day trip to PEK for $899 plus taxes with China Spree. How did your trip go with them? Good company to book with? Suggestions? Other companies recommendations?

moondog

If that includes your tpac airfare, go for it. They will probably put you in crappy hotels and inundate you with shopping opportunities, but if you simply ignore them when they knock on your door at 7a every morning, you'll be able to simultaneously take advantage of their subsidy for your trip and explore Beijing on your own.

luvFclass

HI I have a mid afternoon arriving flight, and a 2:00am departure to EU next month. I am looking to see if there are any reputable day city guides that I can ask to take me around the city (via car or subway is fine)for Peking Duck Dinner, Some quick visit to landmark sites, then back to the airport by midnight for my 2:00am departure.

Thanks!

LFC


PS: If an FT'er wishes to volunteer (no need for car service. I want to try the subway ) dinner is my treat.

mlin32

Reviving this thread to get some opinions.

Will be travelling alone to China for a couple weeks at year-end, want to go to the Harbin Snow & Ice festival along with some outdoor activities in the surrounding areas. Starting getting some quotes from tour operators, but I'm getting the feeling that the ones oriented towards foreigners are ripping me off, especially as I wouldn't need a dedicated tour guide all the time (I do understand and speak chinese). I do get that there's an inherent "premium" that tour operators will charge for being dedicated towards serving foreigners- this happens everywhere. But I also can't give them like, 200% profit.

Problem is, finding those Chinese group tours directed towards a domestic audience is kind of fruitless as I can't read any of their websites, and that's if i even find any.

Helpful hints ?

travelinmanS

If you can understand and speak Chinese there is no need to have a tour guide.

I couldn’t imagine much worse than coming to China on a holiday and joining a domestic tour group.

uanj

I have been to Harbin well over a dozen times, and mostly in the dead of winter. I would never ever want to be part of a tour group but it is nice to travel and experience things with others. YMMV. But there is really no need, especially if you have some Chinese language capability. I'll share my thoughts going there over an 11 year period through 2019.

To visit the Ice Festival at night the most you need is a taxi or didi who will take you, wait for you, and bring you back. Get their wechat so you can find them when you leave. You can try to arrange a taxi/didi on your own when you are ready to leave but what I saw was that it was a big hassle and they waited until they had 4 passengers going to roughly the same place. At night the Ice Festival really is spectacular but most people don't stay for even an hour. It is so bitterly cold. There are just a few heated indoor cafes and they ask each person to order at least a drink. Well worth it to warm up. If you like photography and it is your first visit you may end up spending over an hour. Phones stop working if you have them out too long so if you have some kind of pocket close to your body that can help. One of my employees put one of those handwarmers in his pocket wrapped in a wool glove and that worked well. I've had to put my phone inside my shirt against my chest more than once.

Try not to go the Ice Festival or Snow Sculpture Garden on your first day unless you are already acclimated to Arctic weather. Use the first 24 hours to get used to being outside. A good way to do that is to walk outside on the main shopping street with the Russian looking buildings and duck in a souvenir store when the cold becomes unbearable. It's now a pedestrian street and they also have a lot of snow sculptures along the street in the winter. Once I saw a very good sculpture of Marilyn Monroe with her skirt being blown up over a steam grate. A tour group came by and the leader complete with loud megaphone explained that all these sculptures were done by local high school students including this one of a beautiful young woman. And don't touch the sculpture anywhere! At the end of the street there was a sign explaining that the sculptures that year were done by invited international snow sculptors. I think that gives you an idea of the quality of information you may get on a local tour.

When you reach the Songhuajiang you can get out on it and walk, looking down 5 meters deep of frozen freshwater. They use it for additional car parking after it freezes.

There are a few Russian type restaurants, Hua Mei is OK and the interior is fairly authentic Russian, at least the dining room where we ate. It's on the main street with the other Russian type businesses. After a lengthy explanation of their special soup what we got was just a decent borscht. The dumpling restaurants we went to were really, really good. Especially Xi Jia De and there are others, too. You can ask your hotel for a reasonable place with great dumplings, these won't be on the main street.

Saint Sophia's cathedral is worth walking around both day and night. Very different looks. You can pay to go inside but it was stripped bare during the Cultural revolution and is now a museum. Orthodox cathedrals typically feature outstanding interior paintings but these were not restored. If you are only there once you can consider if you want to go in.

You need thermal underwear, easy to get at Uniqlo anywhere in northern China. I once went with an overweight Austrian who insisted he is used to the cold and did not need it. He regretted it. Forget what you look like, put as much moisturizer on your face that it can absorb, that will make a big difference how long you can stay out. And a ski mask or at the very least a good scarf which you will end up fashioning into a ski mask of sorts. (That's me)

At night it was -25 to -32 C. if you have not experienced that be sure to prepare. Can't emphasize it enough.

Do the Snow Sculpture Garden during the day, it does not look like much at night. Be prepared for a lot of walking even though on the map it looks like it is adjacent to the downtown area. There were no places to get warm the several times I went. Then at night head out to the Ice Festival.

I have been to Unit 731 which was more disturbing than any visit to a German concentration camp in Europe. It's far, we hired a taxi for the half day, and while I learned a lot it left me with more questions which I researched later. It's sobering to see how experiments were conducted on how long frostbite victims could survive and the attempts made at weaponization of diseases, the beginnings of biological warfare. While Harbin was essentially a Russian city before WWII, you'll learn why there was no European population left in Harbin after WWII. The commentary is highly politicized, just know that before going in. They even manage to through in a few digs against the Americans. And this place would not be for everyone, especially little children.

The Harbin Siberian Tiger Park looks to be open, went once and will never go again. I don't want to delve into OMNI territory but why there are commercial zoos where you buy a live chicken or even a donkey and watch it being killed and eaten by lions and tigers is beyond me. You tour the park in a bus with the top ripped off and caged over to protect the passengers. No heating, of course. I seemed to be the only one who saw any absurdity, not to mention lack of humanity, in caged humans being driven through an open zoo with a primary attraction of watching lions and tigers eat live domesticated animals thrown at them. The Siberian tigers are beautiful animals. But it gave me a lot to think about, none related to lions, tigers, or the infertile male ligers they crossbreed there.

Definitely choose a hotel with a decent location downtown. The local people are really nice, I always enjoyed dinner in a local restaurant there.

Sorry for the lack of organization, feel free to ask questions if you have any. If you really want to join a local tour I can make some enquiries Harbin is a city with a fascinating history, you will find it interesting and stimulating. And the Ice Festival is world class.

Agneisse

Snow & Ice festival can be done by yourself as the visuals are self-explanatory.

What exactly do you need from a tour guide? If you are not very picky about the quality of commentary or actual "guiding" and mainly want transportation, you may find it easiest to hire a taxi/didi driver for the day (or informally arrange a return ride with them). Or you can book a day tour off Mafengwo, the ones that present themselves as not doing shopping stops do adhere to it and are basically offering transportation + entry tickets.

stinger

Taking a trip to the following with my 17 year old in March 2025. We would arrive in HKG middle of March and after spending a few days in HKG would look to hit the following places and end up in PVG for a few days and depart back to Canada. We have no Chinese language skills and want to hit the following:

HKG: Food, Victoria Peak, suggestions
Chengdu: Giant Panda, Giant Buddha, Cooking class, market visit and food tour of restaurants.
Luoyang: Laojun Mountain
Beijing: Great Wall ( what section would you recommend), Tianamen Square, Forbidden City, other suggestions
Shanghai: city tour, street food tour, cooking class, other suggestions

My kid loves the food and likes to experience lots of different things, he really wants to see Laojun Mountain.

any advice or suggestions is appreciated.

moondog

If/when (US/Canada-China) flight capacity gets back to a point in which airlines need to put some effort into selling seats, the junket business will presumably return. Maybe (wild guess here) 70% odds that happens within a year.

Regardless of that, putting a trip together that brings you to your desired places (list seems okay to me), with or without the structure afforded by a group, should be pretty straightforward.

narvik

My favorite section is Gubeikou, but with a 17-year old, maybe you can try Mutianyu which is a lot more commercial:
https://en.mutianyugreatwall.com/

Other things in Beijing:
- Universal Studios (South 6th Ring Road, Tongzhou)
- rent a bicycle and enjoy the Grand Canal (see pic), although early March is a tad early; this was a few days ago:

stinger

Appreciate the informations and suggestions, we normally plan our own trips without the use of full tours but was a little anxious of doing the same in China. Good to hear we should be able to navigate most things ourselves. Only thing I am unsure about is Laojun Mountain. We arrive in HKG on March 20th to start our trip.