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Old Aug 28, 17, 7:58 am   #1
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Airports and Hurricanes

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Of if they did NONE of those things and moved the exact same number as they move every single Friday afternoon. (I am not saying that is the case - I am simply pointing out that the statistics are totally unclear - and, unlike Superbowl, I see no evidence that the airlines had any more capacity than any other weekday afternoon - this wasn't like a hurricane warning where people might have flooded the airport in larger numbers because they were willing to sleep on the floor for 2 days - these were people with reservations for regular flights).
Speaking of airports and hurricanes, there were two reports that TSA at Hobby would not allow people stranded at the closed airport into the "sterile" area to get food and drinks. I don't know Hobby, is there no access to food landside there?
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Old Aug 28, 17, 9:10 am   #2
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Speaking of airports and hurricanes, there were two reports that TSA at Hobby would not allow people stranded at the closed airport into the "sterile" area to get food and drinks. I don't know Hobby, is there no access to food landside there?
I don't doubt that statement but it would take something like TSA to refuse people health and comfort access during an emergency.

Proof of no adult leadership at TSA.
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Old Aug 30, 17, 10:48 am   #3
  
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Here's a couple possibilities:

a) Maybe leadership was worried that someone would take advantage of the situation and plant something in the sterile area?
b) Maybe the sterile area was flooded or had damage inside? Or all the restaurants were closed, anyway.

With that said, the TSO's could have came up with a few possible solutions:

a) Offer to bring food/drinks to customers from inside security.
b) Ask the people inside if they would be willing to bring out food/drinks, or even sell them.
c) Implement patdowns for everyone going past security (if the machines weren't working) or just suspend ID requirements (after all, if people are cleared during screening, they're safe).

A little thinking outside the box would have helped the situation. Really not defending TSA here, but maybe they had their own reasons, too?
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Old Aug 30, 17, 11:05 am   #4
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Here's a couple possibilities:

a) Maybe leadership was worried that someone would take advantage of the situation and plant something in the sterile area?
b) Maybe the sterile area was flooded or had damage inside? Or all the restaurants were closed, anyway.

With that said, the TSO's could have came up with a few possible solutions:

a) Offer to bring food/drinks to customers from inside security.
b) Ask the people inside if they would be willing to bring out food/drinks, or even sell them.
c) Implement patdowns for everyone going past security (if the machines weren't working) or just suspend ID requirements (after all, if people are cleared during screening, they're safe).

A little thinking outside the box would have helped the situation. Really not defending TSA here, but maybe they had their own reasons, too?
Of course TSA has "reasons".

Sometimes rules have to be modified on the fly during an unexpected situation. Professionals would understand that concept and would have made allowances. TSA? NO!
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Of course TSA has "reasons".

Sometimes rules have to be modified on the fly during an unexpected situation. Professionals would understand that concept and would have made allowances. TSA? NO!
True. It's just that we don't have enough context. Were the machines malfunctioning because of the floods? Was the sterile side of the airport even open? Maybe the TSA screeners had to deny people anyway because airside was flooded? Only allowing ticketed passengers inside (which is SOP anyway)? If so, the OP could have bought a refundable ticket to go past security, then cancelled. Theoretically, TSA could have suspended same-day travel requirements to let people inside, or offered to bring water outside. Couldn't the OP have asked a TA for a gate pass or asked an airport employee if they could do something about bringing out water/food to stranded landside passengers?

We need more context and information. What exactly did the TSA screeners say? "Sorry, no water or food for you, they're all inside the sterile area and you don't have access!" Would they really let people suffer like that? I find that hard to believe... it's human nature to want to help.
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Old Aug 30, 17, 12:13 pm   #6
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True. It's just that we don't have enough context. Were the machines malfunctioning because of the floods? Was the sterile side of the airport even open? Maybe the TSA screeners had to deny people anyway because airside was flooded? Only allowing ticketed passengers inside (which is SOP anyway)? If so, the OP could have bought a refundable ticket to go past security, then cancelled. Theoretically, TSA could have suspended same-day travel requirements to let people inside, or offered to bring water outside. Couldn't the OP have asked a TA for a gate pass or asked an airport employee if they could do something about bringing out water/food to stranded landside passengers?

We need more context and information. What exactly did the TSA screeners say? "Sorry, no water or food for you, they're all inside the sterile area and you don't have access!" Would they really let people suffer like that? I find that hard to believe... it's human nature to want to help.
You have much more faith in TSA than I do.
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Old Aug 30, 17, 5:38 pm   #7
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From the Houston Business Journal:
Houston airports remain closed until further notice, most stranded passengers moved

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More than 100 passengers were still stranded at the two airports combined as of Aug. 28, [Houston Airport System spokesman Bill] Begley said. Many of those who remained stuck at Hobby, for instance, were from Houston, and it was safer to stay at the airport than to get back on the roads, he added.

“We’re finding inventive ways of taking care of passengers and staff,” Begley said, calling the efforts “a testimony to cooperation and solid partnerships.”
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Old Aug 31, 17, 8:22 pm   #8
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Apparently some FAM's based out of Houston aren't to happy with how their TSA superiors treated them.
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Federal Air Marshals Say TSA Separated Them From Families During Harvey


https://www.yahoo.com/news/federal-a...223317968.html


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Twenty-six federal air marshals based in Houston were not allowed to return to their families after Hurricane Harvey hit late last week, according to an association that represents the law enforcement agents.
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