Electronic devices ban Europe to the US [merged threads]
May 17, 2017, 3:40 pm
#781
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If this proposal got more publicity in the general public, DHS (at the direction of those above them) would hold fast and push through the ban, because the way things are going, Washington doesn't want to be seen as taking defeats.
We can only hope there's minimal coverage of this outside of venues for travel enthusiasts like FT.
We can only hope there's minimal coverage of this outside of venues for travel enthusiasts like FT.
May 17, 2017, 3:46 pm
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I hope the EU stands their ground on refusing to allow all of these devices to be dumped into the hold. The standoff is good for both the sanity and safety of everyone who might fly if it can continue until the knee-jerk paranoia settles down a bit.
I think even the paranoid anything-for-security-no-matter-the-cost career DHS people may realize that the public won't stand for being told they can't take take their $1000+ devices back to the US from Europe at all because it can be neither carried on nor checked. (and no, I don't think FedEx @ hundreds of $ per pax is a viable workaround)
Kudos to the EU; I think this may be the first time anyone at this level has tried to stand up to DHS paranoia.
I think even the paranoid anything-for-security-no-matter-the-cost career DHS people may realize that the public won't stand for being told they can't take take their $1000+ devices back to the US from Europe at all because it can be neither carried on nor checked. (and no, I don't think FedEx @ hundreds of $ per pax is a viable workaround)
Kudos to the EU; I think this may be the first time anyone at this level has tried to stand up to DHS paranoia.
May 17, 2017, 3:59 pm
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I hope those sites aren't just glibly referring to it as a "laptop ban," but are accurately reporting that the ban may also involve tablets, cameras, headphones, and possibly medical items such as CPAP machines. Otherwise people who don't travel regularly with a laptop but who do own and use those other items may underestimate the significance of this proposal to them.
May 17, 2017, 4:13 pm
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What isn't mention with this is that it's there's also reverse screening for selected flights at Points of Entry. This will match what is taking place with the currently ban in place already.
96 hours...that's what we're hearing unless some break through between the EU and US takes place.
96 hours...that's what we're hearing unless some break through between the EU and US takes place.
May 17, 2017, 4:45 pm
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I hope those sites aren't just glibly referring to it as a "laptop ban," but are accurately reporting that the ban may also involve tablets, cameras, headphones, and possibly medical items such as CPAP machines. Otherwise people who don't travel regularly with a laptop but who do own and use those other items may underestimate the significance of this proposal to them.
May 17, 2017, 5:01 pm
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So anything with a removable battery ok?
So it seems the issue lies in the batteries. So does this mean that any device with a removable battery is ok to bring in the cabin (sans battery)?
If this is true, ultrabook laptops and tablets might be an issue. But digital SLR cameras should be ok, no? Remove the tiny battery and check it. Also what about expensive lenses? They have no battery.
Also, would external battery packs used to supplement smartphone battery life be ok to bring in the cabin? They are roughly the same size as the phone. If they expect us to rely on one device to keep us entertained for a 12+ hour international flight, you'll need the juice for that. Yes, you have USB outlets, but a lot of them charge slower than the drain from using the device.
Leaving for Europe from JFK tomorrow, coming back June 3. Seriously don't know what to do at this point. I usually have with me in the cabin, my phone, external battery, ultrabook laptop, and a digital SLR camera with a lens and external flash.
If this is true, ultrabook laptops and tablets might be an issue. But digital SLR cameras should be ok, no? Remove the tiny battery and check it. Also what about expensive lenses? They have no battery.
Also, would external battery packs used to supplement smartphone battery life be ok to bring in the cabin? They are roughly the same size as the phone. If they expect us to rely on one device to keep us entertained for a 12+ hour international flight, you'll need the juice for that. Yes, you have USB outlets, but a lot of them charge slower than the drain from using the device.
Leaving for Europe from JFK tomorrow, coming back June 3. Seriously don't know what to do at this point. I usually have with me in the cabin, my phone, external battery, ultrabook laptop, and a digital SLR camera with a lens and external flash.
May 17, 2017, 5:33 pm
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So it seems the issue lies in the batteries. So does this mean that any device with a removable battery is ok to bring in the cabin (sans battery)?
If this is true, ultrabook laptops and tablets might be an issue. But digital SLR cameras should be ok, no? Remove the tiny battery and check it. Also what about expensive lenses? They have no battery.
Also, would external battery packs used to supplement smartphone battery life be ok to bring in the cabin? They are roughly the same size as the phone. If they expect us to rely on one device to keep us entertained for a 12+ hour international flight, you'll need the juice for that. Yes, you have USB outlets, but a lot of them charge slower than the drain from using the device.
Leaving for Europe from JFK tomorrow, coming back June 3. Seriously don't know what to do at this point. I usually have with me in the cabin, my phone, external battery, ultrabook laptop, and a digital SLR camera with a lens and external flash.
If this is true, ultrabook laptops and tablets might be an issue. But digital SLR cameras should be ok, no? Remove the tiny battery and check it. Also what about expensive lenses? They have no battery.
Also, would external battery packs used to supplement smartphone battery life be ok to bring in the cabin? They are roughly the same size as the phone. If they expect us to rely on one device to keep us entertained for a 12+ hour international flight, you'll need the juice for that. Yes, you have USB outlets, but a lot of them charge slower than the drain from using the device.
Leaving for Europe from JFK tomorrow, coming back June 3. Seriously don't know what to do at this point. I usually have with me in the cabin, my phone, external battery, ultrabook laptop, and a digital SLR camera with a lens and external flash.
For me personally, I just wish they would do one thing or another. Those of us with immediate travel to Europe are in limbo and don't know what we need to do for safe transport of electronics and in my case a whole bunch of camera gear.
May 17, 2017, 5:34 pm
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So it seems the issue lies in the batteries. So does this mean that any device with a removable battery is ok to bring in the cabin (sans battery)?
If this is true, ultrabook laptops and tablets might be an issue. But digital SLR cameras should be ok, no? Remove the tiny battery and check it. Also what about expensive lenses? They have no battery.
Also, would external battery packs used to supplement smartphone battery life be ok to bring in the cabin? They are roughly the same size as the phone. If they expect us to rely on one device to keep us entertained for a 12+ hour international flight, you'll need the juice for that. Yes, you have USB outlets, but a lot of them charge slower than the drain from using the device.
Leaving for Europe from JFK tomorrow, coming back June 3. Seriously don't know what to do at this point. I usually have with me in the cabin, my phone, external battery, ultrabook laptop, and a digital SLR camera with a lens and external flash.
If this is true, ultrabook laptops and tablets might be an issue. But digital SLR cameras should be ok, no? Remove the tiny battery and check it. Also what about expensive lenses? They have no battery.
Also, would external battery packs used to supplement smartphone battery life be ok to bring in the cabin? They are roughly the same size as the phone. If they expect us to rely on one device to keep us entertained for a 12+ hour international flight, you'll need the juice for that. Yes, you have USB outlets, but a lot of them charge slower than the drain from using the device.
Leaving for Europe from JFK tomorrow, coming back June 3. Seriously don't know what to do at this point. I usually have with me in the cabin, my phone, external battery, ultrabook laptop, and a digital SLR camera with a lens and external flash.
A P&S camera without the battery should be OK, but the rules (so far) seem to refer to 'devices'. No exceptions for 'devices without batteries'.
May 17, 2017, 5:52 pm
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https://www.faa.gov/about/initiative...info/?hazmat=7
If it is too dangerous today to do this, why would they allow that in the future, i.e., what made it suddenly an acceptable risk? (arguing that it is safer than in the cabin doesn't mean the risk assessment leading to today's rule has changed)
The bottom line, though, is that no one knows. Lots of speculation in this thread. And while you might logically think/argue that a certain device doesn't fall under whatever ban that does not mean that the screener will agree. And good luck arguing...
May 17, 2017, 6:06 pm
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I am curious, how do countries like China or Japan handle "electronics safety"? Are they also banning everything left-and-right?
May 17, 2017, 6:17 pm
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And if there is reverse screening and they find a prohibited item, what do they do? Send pax back to Europe to check the item? Fine the security service of the other country?
May 17, 2017, 7:45 pm
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I'm in a similar situation where I leave for Europe on the 23rd, returning on the 3rd. At this point, I don't know whether to bring an empty pelican case with me to pack my camera backpack with 2 high end DSLR's and a half dozen lenses and other associated accessories for the return trip, or take a chance that they debate it again for the next couple of weeks and I can get in and out before it happens.
For me personally, I just wish they would do one thing or another. Those of us with immediate travel to Europe are in limbo and don't know what we need to do for safe transport of electronics and in my case a whole bunch of camera gear.
For me personally, I just wish they would do one thing or another. Those of us with immediate travel to Europe are in limbo and don't know what we need to do for safe transport of electronics and in my case a whole bunch of camera gear.
May 17, 2017, 7:47 pm
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Assuming that the new Europe rule will pretty much mirror the one set for the 10 Middle Eastern countries that is in effect now. What are the exact rules for that implementation? Do they allow battery-less electronics or no? Maybe we can sort of go by that.
May 17, 2017, 7:52 pm
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Well BBC posted this three hours ago:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39956968
Seems like the conclusion is no ban but other changes may occur (I can assume we will see more aggressive gate screening of electronics)
Others
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...n-flights.html
Not seen any recent articles with differing messages.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39956968
Seems like the conclusion is no ban but other changes may occur (I can assume we will see more aggressive gate screening of electronics)
Others
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...n-flights.html
Not seen any recent articles with differing messages.
May 17, 2017, 8:11 pm
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Why only incoming flights? Why only L/H?
Are narrows bodies on s/h or strictly domestic routes somehow not targetable?
Is the information Trump spilled to the Russkies somehow incapable of being used inside American borders?
Beyond pure economic advantage, and political theater for the political base that sees Europe as overrun by Muslims (and even worse liberal traitors) any logic here at all?
Or just a cynical manipulation of hayseed fear?
Are narrows bodies on s/h or strictly domestic routes somehow not targetable?
Is the information Trump spilled to the Russkies somehow incapable of being used inside American borders?
Beyond pure economic advantage, and political theater for the political base that sees Europe as overrun by Muslims (and even worse liberal traitors) any logic here at all?
Or just a cynical manipulation of hayseed fear?
