passenger flew from LAX to Taipei with loaded Ruger with 6 bullets in her backpack
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Worth noting: not all of us use a special bag for carry-on air travel. My 'personal item' carry-on is the same bag I carry every single day, and some items are always in the bag, at home or while traveling.
If this gun is always in her bag and it's the same bag she carries all the time, I can see how she 'forgot' it.
This is the second woman to report going through the checkpoint with a gun in her handbag in just a couple of weeks, at a time when TSA is already on alert because Red Team tests are being conducted/have recently been conducted. They're too busy rubbing genitals and challenging breast milk to catch things like guns in unexpected places like handbags.
I can't help but wonder how many people regularly get past the checkpoint, realize they have their firearm on them, and wisely choose to say nothing.
If this gun is always in her bag and it's the same bag she carries all the time, I can see how she 'forgot' it.
This is the second woman to report going through the checkpoint with a gun in her handbag in just a couple of weeks, at a time when TSA is already on alert because Red Team tests are being conducted/have recently been conducted. They're too busy rubbing genitals and challenging breast milk to catch things like guns in unexpected places like handbags.
I can't help but wonder how many people regularly get past the checkpoint, realize they have their firearm on them, and wisely choose to say nothing.
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I think that she deserves a little recognition (especially regarding any potential fine or sentence) for declaring it once she was aware of carrying a firearm. The TSA should definitely get the brunt for failing to detect a firearm. That's a no-go and the people that dropped the ball there shouldn't be working in security screening.
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So. She "forgot" she had a revolver in her backpack. I have been carrying guns daily for 43 years. Always on duty, mostly when off duty. Am I the only person reading this thread who is astounded that a sworn police officer is unable to control her belongings and inadvertently travels with a firearm?
Last month the TSA reportedly confiscated over 80 firearms in carry-on bags. Most from Ma and Pa Kettle. What in the name of heaven would possess a person to store a firearm in a bag that you use for travel? Gun bags are for guns, and nothing else. Travel bags are for travel. Putting a gun in a travel bag is a recipe for a very expensive mistake, unless it is in a hard case, unloaded and declared, very deliberately.
So once again the TSA ignores an obviously lethal weapon that traveled through their X-Ray device and matches the pattern that their algorithms are supposed to spot. And once again, a gun owner ignores the cardinal rule that a lethal weapon needs to be stored properly or consequences may be disastrous.
Rant off
Last month the TSA reportedly confiscated over 80 firearms in carry-on bags. Most from Ma and Pa Kettle. What in the name of heaven would possess a person to store a firearm in a bag that you use for travel? Gun bags are for guns, and nothing else. Travel bags are for travel. Putting a gun in a travel bag is a recipe for a very expensive mistake, unless it is in a hard case, unloaded and declared, very deliberately.
So once again the TSA ignores an obviously lethal weapon that traveled through their X-Ray device and matches the pattern that their algorithms are supposed to spot. And once again, a gun owner ignores the cardinal rule that a lethal weapon needs to be stored properly or consequences may be disastrous.
Rant off
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So. She "forgot" she had a revolver in her backpack. I have been carrying guns daily for 43 years. Always on duty, mostly when off duty. Am I the only person reading this thread who is astounded that a sworn police officer is unable to control her belongings and inadvertently travels with a firearm?
Last month the TSA reportedly confiscated over 80 firearms in carry-on bags. Most from Ma and Pa Kettle. What in the name of heaven would possess a person to store a firearm in a bag that you use for travel? Gun bags are for guns, and nothing else. Travel bags are for travel. Putting a gun in a travel bag is a recipe for a very expensive mistake, unless it is in a hard case, unloaded and declared, very deliberately.
So once again the TSA ignores an obviously lethal weapon that traveled through their X-Ray device and matches the pattern that their algorithms are supposed to spot. And once again, a gun owner ignores the cardinal rule that a lethal weapon needs to be stored properly or consequences may be disastrous.
|Rant off|
Last month the TSA reportedly confiscated over 80 firearms in carry-on bags. Most from Ma and Pa Kettle. What in the name of heaven would possess a person to store a firearm in a bag that you use for travel? Gun bags are for guns, and nothing else. Travel bags are for travel. Putting a gun in a travel bag is a recipe for a very expensive mistake, unless it is in a hard case, unloaded and declared, very deliberately.
So once again the TSA ignores an obviously lethal weapon that traveled through their X-Ray device and matches the pattern that their algorithms are supposed to spot. And once again, a gun owner ignores the cardinal rule that a lethal weapon needs to be stored properly or consequences may be disastrous.
|Rant off|
|Rant on| It was a Ruger LCP and it was not a revolver.
I thinkg the TSA deserves most of the blame and spanking. For every gun they intercept, there must be a lot more guns that the totally missed. I'm picturing a terrorist laughing his/her pants off right now.
Meanwhile, my extra tube of half-used toothpaste(maybe 1 or 2 ounces remaning) was confiscated and disposed of the other day.
|Rant off|
Still. That means that the firearm was not secured before the flight. It's IMO quite unprofessional of someone in LE. They (should) know the risks of misplaced, stolen, and misused guns best. It certainly doesn't reflect good on her.
I think that she deserves a little recognition (especially regarding any potential fine or sentence) for declaring it once she was aware of carrying a firearm. The TSA should definitely get the brunt for failing to detect a firearm. That's a no-go and the people that dropped the ball there shouldn't be working in security screening.
I think that she deserves a little recognition (especially regarding any potential fine or sentence) for declaring it once she was aware of carrying a firearm. The TSA should definitely get the brunt for failing to detect a firearm. That's a no-go and the people that dropped the ball there shouldn't be working in security screening.
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Worth noting: not all of us use a special bag for carry-on air travel. My 'personal item' carry-on is the same bag I carry every single day, and some items are always in the bag, at home or while traveling.
If this gun is always in her bag and it's the same bag she carries all the time, I can see how she 'forgot' it.
This is the second woman to report going through the checkpoint with a gun in her handbag in just a couple of weeks, at a time when TSA is already on alert because Red Team tests are being conducted/have recently been conducted. They're too busy rubbing genitals and challenging breast milk to catch things like guns in unexpected places like handbags.
I can't help but wonder how many people regularly get past the checkpoint, realize they have their firearm on them, and wisely choose to say nothing.
If this gun is always in her bag and it's the same bag she carries all the time, I can see how she 'forgot' it.
This is the second woman to report going through the checkpoint with a gun in her handbag in just a couple of weeks, at a time when TSA is already on alert because Red Team tests are being conducted/have recently been conducted. They're too busy rubbing genitals and challenging breast milk to catch things like guns in unexpected places like handbags.
I can't help but wonder how many people regularly get past the checkpoint, realize they have their firearm on them, and wisely choose to say nothing.
I'm starting to think that this is fake news. The story has not been reported by any news media. Zero coverage. Doesn't that seem weird? The *only* people reporting it are the Taiwanese... http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3141087
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I'm starting to think that this is fake news. The story has not been reported by any news media. Zero coverage. Doesn't that seem weird? The *only* people reporting it are the Taiwanese... http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3141087
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Reuters had an article about it this morning:
That Reuters report originated from a Taiwanese English-language news....
Guess the TSA must have missed too many guns and knives recently for this to make it to local news in LA. (let alone national news)
At least the officer in question exists and she makes $207,691 per year working for the Santa Monica PD(2015 public data). http://transparentcalifornia.com/sal...noell-p-grant/
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I'm starting to think that this is fake news. The story has not been reported by any news media. Zero coverage. Doesn't that seem weird? The *only* people reporting it are the Taiwanese... http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3141087
here's the article my friend just emailed me... can someone who speaks Japanese translate it into English?
https://translate.google.com/transla...-text=&act=url
https://translate.google.com/transla...-text=&act=url
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So. She "forgot" she had a revolver in her backpack. I have been carrying guns daily for 43 years. Always on duty, mostly when off duty. Am I the only person reading this thread who is astounded that a sworn police officer is unable to control her belongings and inadvertently travels with a firearm?
Last month the TSA reportedly confiscated over 80 firearms in carry-on bags. Most from Ma and Pa Kettle. What in the name of heaven would possess a person to store a firearm in a bag that you use for travel? Gun bags are for guns, and nothing else. Travel bags are for travel. Putting a gun in a travel bag is a recipe for a very expensive mistake, unless it is in a hard case, unloaded and declared, very deliberately.
So once again the TSA ignores an obviously lethal weapon that traveled through their X-Ray device and matches the pattern that their algorithms are supposed to spot. And once again, a gun owner ignores the cardinal rule that a lethal weapon needs to be stored properly or consequences may be disastrous.
|Rant off|
Last month the TSA reportedly confiscated over 80 firearms in carry-on bags. Most from Ma and Pa Kettle. What in the name of heaven would possess a person to store a firearm in a bag that you use for travel? Gun bags are for guns, and nothing else. Travel bags are for travel. Putting a gun in a travel bag is a recipe for a very expensive mistake, unless it is in a hard case, unloaded and declared, very deliberately.
So once again the TSA ignores an obviously lethal weapon that traveled through their X-Ray device and matches the pattern that their algorithms are supposed to spot. And once again, a gun owner ignores the cardinal rule that a lethal weapon needs to be stored properly or consequences may be disastrous.
|Rant off|
In this particular case, since this woman was a police officer, I believe she should be fired and permanently banned from ever holding a LEO position anywhere in the United States. The level of carelessness and stupidity required to 'forget' where your firearm is, and to not notice that the small bag you're wearing around your waist has the weight of a pistol in it (in the photos on the Taiwanese page, the bag is shown as a type of waist bag), is staggering. No person with that level of carelessness and stupidity regarding firearms should be allowed to possess one, let alone hold a job where they are required to be proficient in their use and carry one.
I have no sympathy for people like this. None. They are a black eye on the face of every responsible gun owner in the US.
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especially not when the Santa Monica Police Dept pays her over $200,000 per year in salary... one would think(hope) that they train their officers better than her.
on the other hand, most TSA employees working airports make around $32,500 per year(probably more in LA area), so I guess it's only natural that they miss loaded guns in the X-ray machine?
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Hey, they might miss guns that are in a handbag (they have done so twice recently - that we know of) - but I bet they never miss a gun 'artfully concealed' in someone's genitals.
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wouldn't that set off the metal detectors? or is it one of those all-polymer+carbon fiber guns that contain almost no metal?
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