petaluma1

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...-carry-luggage

This is what protests can accomplish.

zitsky

Electronics and food still come out?

N830MH

Yes, as long if you are on regular lane. They asked you to take out electronics and foods. If you go through PreCheck. You can keep inside your carry on bags.

petaluma1

Two thoughts:

1. As with the uproar about screening books, TSA backing down from laptop ban shows that protests can have an impact on them.

2. That said, if I heard the report on NBC Nightly News correctly, airlines are upset because they were not consulted. As well, it is admitted that small countries are going to have severe problems instituting new security requirements.

petaluma1

There are many complaints from people in Pre about being required to take their food out of their carry-ons.

petaluma1

Delete; wrong thread; I've got Lyme - is that a good enough excuse?

N830MH

Yeah, I notice that. I don't like touching my foods. All they want to leave it alone. Leave it alone!

WillCAD

Maybe it's just my cynical side, but I suspect that protests had zero impact, and that this entire flap has been about only one thing - creating a perceived need for the expensive new carry-on CT scanners, which of course will be touted as a magical tool that can clear electronics and foodstuffs while still in your bag! At a bargain basement cost of only seventy-bajillion dollarpounds, these miracle machines will cure every ill, find every Bad Thing, and make every flight Safe for Democracy!

And no, I don't think there is any direct relationship between whether the electronics ban was international or domestic, and whether the new CT scanners will be deployed internationally or domestically. Creating a perceived threat from one of them thar' furrin countries actually works in TSA's favor in such a situation, as it's so easy for most Muricans to believe any and all outlandish threats supposedly posed by the Eviw Bwown Muswim Bogie Man.

In plainer language, they scare us with trumped-up threats, annoy us with ridiculously extreme protective action that we can't stomach, and present a magical machine that they purport will protect us from the threat without the annoyance. The reaction of the American people is typically:


But I have to admit, maybe I am being just a teeny bit paranoid.

chollie

Except this time TSA is determined to force this over-priced hardware and TSA's patented genital assault on the rest of the world, along with additional over-paid 'pet' TSOs stationed at desirable (not threatening) airports like CDG to 'assist' other nations' security forces in screwing up security American-style.

Welcome to Fortress America, soon to resemble the Hotel California to its citizens.

Meanwhile, as the lines get predictably longer (JFK Precheck waits up to 40 minutes), TSA continues to fail the Red Team tests while having enough money to shell out bonuses in the thousands for its employees every year.

beachmouse

Local circumstances can apparently still lead to requests to remove some food for screening. With a bit of amusement, I offer:

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapi...ackinac_i.html

I can actually understand the point here because a one pound chunk of maple-walnut or chocolate-peanut butter probably does look a bit like a block of explosive in the scanners.

petaluma1

Although I cannot find the specific Tweets now, yesterday I read of TSA confiscating solid food from passengers, not because that food had set off the ETD but just because.

ETA: It also appears that if TSA doesn't confiscate your food, you will get a full "pat down" to include your genital area.

TWA884

Posts discussing the morphing of "screener discretion" to "final say," screeners' retaliation, etc., which had noting to do with the now discontinued pilot program of taking all food and electronics larger than cellphones out for screening, have been move to a new thread:
Please keep FlyerTalk rule 5, Stay On Topic, in mind when posting.

Thank you for understanding,

TWA884
Travel Safety/Security co-moderator

petaluma1

chollie

Another happy Precheck customer. If this keeps up, do you think he will renew?

zitsky

If using Pre Check, food was in your bag? If in a bin, are they likely to grope, err, examine you?