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Old Mar 6, 17, 9:08 pm   #61
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Any of the resident lawyers care to chime in on how far the TSA can push these searches without the courts taking a closer look?

It's only a matter of time before this ends in a lawsuit. Or a TSO gets his teeth kicked in by a sexual assault victim whose PTSD comes raging back while being groped at a checkpoint.
And what if you defend your genitals against karate-chopping TSA guards?

(Simply the first thing that came up on a search, I have no idea of the merits of the particular example.)

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Old Mar 6, 17, 9:14 pm   #62
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Luckily I have never had a problem with the MMW scanners alarming and the milllimeter wave tech and cartoonish displays don't bother me. So I don't opt out. I'm more concerned being randomly selected for a search.
Yeah. I don't care what the MMW scanners see even without the cartoon displays. Pat-downs, no, though.

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Actually I tend to travel with lots of computer parts in my carry-ons and I have been selected for body searches for that reason. So I am probably a lot more likely to have problems with this than many of you.
While I don't have parts in my bag I do have a decent number of odds and ends of accessories in my bag. PVG emptied the bag of anything with a wire once but other than that it's not been an issue.

Our last flight I got the grope from medical liquids, though.
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Old Mar 6, 17, 9:17 pm   #63
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I think one part of this is to address people like myself, who normally opt out of the body scanner whenever possible and ask for the pat-down, which TSA views as an inefficiency. So they intend to make the pat-down so onerous that we will no longer object to it.
Good point. I think you're right.
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Old Mar 6, 17, 11:21 pm   #64
  
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I think one part of this is to address people like myself, who normally opt out of the body scanner whenever possible and ask for the pat-down, which TSA views as an inefficiency. So they intend to make the pat-down so onerous that we will no longer object to it.
This. Before I got Precheck, I purposefully opted out of the cancer machines both for health/safety reasons, but also if they're going to fleece me for $5.60 a segment, they're going to damn well earn it, so I'm going to take up as many labor hours as possible. Plus I'm single, so getting felt up by a TSA high school drop out was pretty much the only action I was getting
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Old Mar 7, 17, 3:22 am   #65
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I am just waiting for someone subjected to this at a screening checkpoint to say: "Is this your sexual fantasy too?".
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Old Mar 7, 17, 7:10 am   #66
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I am just waiting for someone subjected to this at a screening checkpoint to say: "Is this your sexual fantasy too?".
Sadly I'm not traveling until May and I have a pretty good record with Precheck clearing as a GE/NEXUS member . But I'll file it away for a rainy day.
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Old Mar 7, 17, 9:37 am   #67
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Most of the electeds in my area don't give a ...., they feel it is part of keeping Americans safe, and their districts are gerrymandered beyond belief to that it would be a waste of my time as I would be heavily outvoted. You can ask the lone Democratic representative of the six (SIX!!!) Congressional districts that have sliced and diced Austin up, Lloyd Doggett; he feels the same. And one of the reps who represents part of Austin is the House Chair of the Committee on Homeland Security.
Sadly, nothing much has changed since I've posted THIS thread. Goes for both parties, with my area leaning heavily blue. I'd have better luck pissing into the wind.

I will say that the medical opt out is still a safe option as of last week. Due to screwing up my shoulder in an accident, I can't "assume the position" (not that I ever have outside of that one time at LHR) so I get the WTMD and hand swab. I've only ever had 2 problems with it - both were at BWI C gates. I will say the supervisors at least got up to deal with immediately when I complained.
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Old Mar 7, 17, 9:48 am   #68
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Good point. I think you're right.
That and it's about control. Notice the difference in how medical opt outs are treated vs a regular opt out. The first one is treated as "would comply, but is unable to" vs "punishment for defiance."

The opt out patdowns have always been to try to teach those people a lesson so they avoid it. That said, on those rare occasions where they tried to force me thru the NoS and ignored my injury, I opted out.

One screener even yelled "Aha! I KNEW you were trying to get out of going thru the scanner."
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That and it's about control. Notice the difference in how medical opt outs are treated vs a regular opt out. The first one is treated as "would comply, but is unable to" vs "punishment for defiance."

The opt out patdowns have always been to try to teach those people a lesson so they avoid it. That said, on those rare occasions where they tried to force me thru the NoS and ignored my injury, I opted out.

One screener even yelled "Aha! I KNEW you were trying to get out of going thru the scanner."
Sexual assault is always about power and control, not sexual satisfaction.
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Old Mar 7, 17, 12:47 pm   #70
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Sexual assault is always about power and control, not sexual satisfaction.
Guess TSA can hire that Denver screener back now.
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EVERYtime I pass thru a Millimeter Wave Scanner (for work, as I am a contractor that works for vendors on the air side, personal travel I have GE) I alarm on my head.
Yes each and every time because at 6' 8" my head is above the scanner detector and I get the dreaded yellow box on my head.
Will I now have to go thru a more "intimate" pat down?

In the past, I have been waved thru, asked to bend or bow so they could see my bald spot, err head or even asked if they could touch my head. I've never got the full pat down with the exception of when I asked the TSO to re-glove before touching my head, that is when he said I had refused direction and need a full screening.

This is with a gate pass a badged escort, an employee of the terminal vendor or the terminal hired private security firm.
Can't wait to test this...
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Old Mar 7, 17, 1:58 pm   #72
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EVERYtime I pass thru a Millimeter Wave Scanner (for work, as I am a contractor that works for vendors on the air side, personal travel I have GE) I alarm on my head.
Yes each and every time because at 6' 8" my head is above the scanner detector and I get the dreaded yellow box on my head.
Will I now have to go thru a more "intimate" pat down?

In the past, I have been waved thru, asked to bend or bow so they could see my bald spot, err head or even asked if they could touch my head. I've never got the full pat down with the exception of when I asked the TSO to re-glove before touching my head, that is when he said I had refused direction and need a full screening.

This is with a gate pass a badged escort, an employee of the terminal vendor or the terminal hired private security firm.
Can't wait to test this...
Pretty good question. From what has been published TSA eliminated all but one style of pat down. If that is true and you get a pat down for any reason it sounds like it will be the full monty. Enjoy!
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I'm interested in knowing if any anomaly found by the scanner will result in a full patdown. My insulin pump and glucose monitor are going to trigger a yellow square to pop up. All the TSA has been asking me to do is rub my hands over the alarmed areas over my clothes and then they swab my hands. I had to suffer through patdowns for years because my old pump wasn't supposed to go through the scanners. I'm going to be very upset if I have to go back to getting full patdowns, especially if they are even more invasive.
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Old Mar 7, 17, 2:35 pm   #74
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I'm interested in knowing if any anomaly found by the scanner will result in a full patdown. My insulin pump and glucose monitor are going to trigger a yellow square to pop up. All the TSA has been asking me to do is rub my hands over the alarmed areas over my clothes and then they swab my hands. I had to suffer through patdowns for years because my old pump wasn't supposed to go through the scanners. I'm going to be very upset if I have to go back to getting full patdowns, especially if they are even more invasive.

Perhaps you should ask the TSA Ombudsman. I get a phone number of (toll free) 877-266-2837 or 571-227-2383.
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Old Mar 7, 17, 7:49 pm   #75
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EVERYtime I pass thru a Millimeter Wave Scanner (for work, as I am a contractor that works for vendors on the air side, personal travel I have GE) I alarm on my head.
Yes each and every time because at 6' 8" my head is above the scanner detector and I get the dreaded yellow box on my head.
Will I now have to go thru a more "intimate" pat down?

In the past, I have been waved thru, asked to bend or bow so they could see my bald spot, err head or even asked if they could touch my head. I've never got the full pat down with the exception of when I asked the TSO to re-glove before touching my head, that is when he said I had refused direction and need a full screening.

This is with a gate pass a badged escort, an employee of the terminal vendor or the terminal hired private security firm.
Can't wait to test this...
Sorry, but you're telling tall tales!
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