Mom forced to give up gallons of breast milk at Heathrow
Apr 26, 2016, 3:28 pm
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After the Britney fiasco, someone posted on this forum that s/he decided to test TSA's new, unposted rule about frozen liquids being allowed. S/he froze a full-size bottle of shampoo and took it through the checkpoint with no problem - because it was a solid.
Apr 26, 2016, 4:01 pm
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But does that exclude solid milk? Even TSA allows solids, although if they want to play nasty, they can just delay you at the checkpoint until they see a drop of condensation to justify confiscation. They did allow Britney's ice chips.
After the Britney fiasco, someone posted on this forum that s/he decided to test TSA's new, unposted rule about frozen liquids being allowed. S/he froze a full-size bottle of shampoo and took it through the checkpoint with no problem - because it was a solid.
After the Britney fiasco, someone posted on this forum that s/he decided to test TSA's new, unposted rule about frozen liquids being allowed. S/he froze a full-size bottle of shampoo and took it through the checkpoint with no problem - because it was a solid.
the airport said that the government did not classify the frozen drink as a solid, and therefore it must be treated as a liquid
Apr 26, 2016, 4:30 pm
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I don't care who the rulemaker is, if the rule doesn't stand up to scrutiny then the rule should be abandoned. This particular rule doesn't hold up.
Apr 26, 2016, 7:23 pm
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There are two questions here:
1. Under the rules as they stand, should she have been allowed to board? The answer is clearly no, at least in regard to the 200oz of liquid milk. For the frozen milk, I can't find a reference to the UK rules, but the US rule is that if there's any part of the material that's not fully frozen, then it's a liquid, which would make essentially all of the frozen milk not valid for transport as well.
2. Does the rule banning liquids make sense?
Again, the answer is clearly no.
It's a stupid rule, and she was violating it.
Does she have a right to complain? Certainly. Does she have any more right to complain than any other passenger who has fallen afoul of the liquid ban? No.
Apr 26, 2016, 8:00 pm
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I agree with you.
There are two questions here:
1. Under the rules as they stand, should she have been allowed to board? The answer is clearly no, at least in regard to the 200oz of liquid milk. For the frozen milk, I can't find a reference to the UK rules, but the US rule is that if there's any part of the material that's not fully frozen, then it's a liquid, which would make essentially all of the frozen milk not valid for transport as well.
2. Does the rule banning liquids make sense?
Again, the answer is clearly no.
It's a stupid rule, and she was violating it.
Does she have a right to complain? Certainly. Does she have any more right to complain than any other passenger who has fallen afoul of the liquid ban? No.
There are two questions here:
1. Under the rules as they stand, should she have been allowed to board? The answer is clearly no, at least in regard to the 200oz of liquid milk. For the frozen milk, I can't find a reference to the UK rules, but the US rule is that if there's any part of the material that's not fully frozen, then it's a liquid, which would make essentially all of the frozen milk not valid for transport as well.
2. Does the rule banning liquids make sense?
Again, the answer is clearly no.
It's a stupid rule, and she was violating it.
Does she have a right to complain? Certainly. Does she have any more right to complain than any other passenger who has fallen afoul of the liquid ban? No.
Apr 26, 2016, 8:28 pm
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It doesn't meet all the other criteria, that's the whole point. She had 200oz of liquid milk (vs. the 3.4oz per container limit, and ~32oz cumulative limit (one quart baggie), so that's definitely over the limit.
As for the 300oz of frozen milk, I don't see any specific references in the UK rules site, but TSA (in the US) regards anything that's liquid at room temperature as a liquid.
As for the 300oz of frozen milk, I don't see any specific references in the UK rules site, but TSA (in the US) regards anything that's liquid at room temperature as a liquid.
Apr 26, 2016, 8:28 pm
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"... so despite offering to pack the milk in checked bags, she is forced to dump it all."
a) it wasn't just about the rules for carry-ons, she wasn't allowed to put it in checked bags either. Where exactly is the rule limiting the amount of liquids in checked bags? Oh, that's right, there isn't one.
b) she was forced to dump all of it - not "all except what would fit in a freedom baggie".
It sounds to me like UK security said "you can't have that" and then refused to back down by considering an alternative solution.
Apr 27, 2016, 7:44 pm
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It's easy enough to simply not buy extra Diet Coke before your trip. She doesn't have that option.
Apr 28, 2016, 6:37 am
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That's beside the point. One liquid is costlier than the other, but that's not a basis for differentiation under the rules.