Updated: EU To Require Electronic Travel Authorization [ETIAS] for non-EU citizens
Apr 12, 2016, 2:50 am
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The applicant fee costs enough that it might cost someone half a month of the cost of hired staff for manual, "unskilled" labor. If I were in such a situation, would I really want to give up two weeks of "full time" (say 30-45 hours/week) housekeeper service for a visa fee? Not really, unless I were eager to go.
The visa fees are what they are because governments are in the business of dumping the costs of operations on users, supposedly in the name of making people paying for what they use but not for what they don't use. Sounds a bit like the airlines with their "unbundling" to collect more money from the traveling public.
Apr 12, 2016, 12:57 pm
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The EU Comission has delayed the proposal until July 12th.
After that, it will be brought to the EU Parliament and member states to a vote in a 4-6 month period if they should go ahead with the mandatory tourist visa applications on American and Canadian citizens.
As much as I agree with the EU Commission stance on letting all member states be visa free in Canada and U.S......I really hope it is shot down (probably with the help of the Western European countries)....but this does not guarantee it 100% obviously.
After that, it will be brought to the EU Parliament and member states to a vote in a 4-6 month period if they should go ahead with the mandatory tourist visa applications on American and Canadian citizens.
As much as I agree with the EU Commission stance on letting all member states be visa free in Canada and U.S......I really hope it is shot down (probably with the help of the Western European countries)....but this does not guarantee it 100% obviously.
Apr 12, 2016, 3:10 pm
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The EU Comission has delayed the proposal until July 12th.
After that, it will be brought to the EU Parliament and member states to a vote in a 4-6 month period if they should go ahead with the mandatory tourist visa applications on American and Canadian citizens.
As much as I agree with the EU Commission stance on letting all member states be visa free in Canada and U.S......I really hope it is shot down (probably with the help of the Western European countries)....but this does not guarantee it 100% obviously.
After that, it will be brought to the EU Parliament and member states to a vote in a 4-6 month period if they should go ahead with the mandatory tourist visa applications on American and Canadian citizens.
As much as I agree with the EU Commission stance on letting all member states be visa free in Canada and U.S......I really hope it is shot down (probably with the help of the Western European countries)....but this does not guarantee it 100% obviously.
Money talks.
Apr 12, 2016, 10:27 pm
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There's no way Romanian/Bulgarian citizens could be allowed visa-free in the US/Canada at the moment.
Allowing them in would mean bringing problems they're creating in major european cities that every average tourist can come across.
I would not mind an ESTA/ETA kinda scheme for visiting Europe in exchange of keeping the visa requirement for neo-EU citizens.
Allowing them in would mean bringing problems they're creating in major european cities that every average tourist can come across.
I would not mind an ESTA/ETA kinda scheme for visiting Europe in exchange of keeping the visa requirement for neo-EU citizens.
Nov 14, 2016, 4:39 am
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EU looking to adopt US-style ESTA/US Visa Waiver Program
Some in the EU are looking to adopt a US-style ESTA requirement -- US Visa Waiver Program type of arrangement -- for security and political/diplomatic leverage reasons.
More to come.
More to come.
Nov 14, 2016, 3:09 pm
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I oppose the pursuit of it. It ends up being a money grab attempt and a form of extra-prejudicial leverage (against mostly lawful groups/individuals) that hits people with an opaque scoring system decision that is but an output from a modernized version of the star chambers.
Nov 14, 2016, 3:13 pm
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Nov 15, 2016, 3:10 am
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I oppose the pursuit of it. It ends up being a money grab attempt and a form of extra-prejudicial leverage (against mostly lawful groups/individuals) that hits people with an opaque scoring system decision that is but an output from a modernized version of the star chambers.
Nov 15, 2016, 3:27 am
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I oppose the $14 charge, as a US citizen.
And I won't have to pay the EU fee either, and I oppose it too.
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Nov 15, 2016, 5:13 am
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Copying traveler-unfriendly approaches is reciprocal. But that doesn't make it better for one and all any more than all countries getting nukes just because some other countries already have nukes is reciprocal.
I oppose the $14 charge, as a US citizen.
And I won't have to pay the EU fee either, and I oppose it too.
I oppose the $14 charge, as a US citizen.
And I won't have to pay the EU fee either, and I oppose it too.