EU Parliament Approves Collecting Air Passenger Data [Updated]
Feb 17, 2015, 10:31 pm
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Yes, I did. I went through AMS twice and never had any problem at all. He gave me a few questions. He asked me where I going and I told him that I am going to see my brother and then he stamped it.
Feb 18, 2015, 8:57 am
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The US Government is advising the EU and some other countries to get in place these PNR and related ID checking surveillance systems out of a concern that "broken travel" into and or out of various global hotspots undermines the US (and or partner) ability to monitor global people movements. This is married with a push for more countries to jump on the e-visa/ETA/ESTA type processes, for that provides a treasure trove of data for mass public surveillance efforts too -- even when there is no legal sharing of the data (distinct from illegal sharing or passenger data theft which will take place more and more).
About AMS passport control, it's not all bad, but it has gotten worse than it used to be.
About AMS passport control, it's not all bad, but it has gotten worse than it used to be.
Feb 19, 2015, 2:14 pm
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The Swedish government is still reliant upon airline's paper printouts of passenger manifests on a case by case basis.
http://www.thelocal.se/20150219/swed...r-data-sharing
That will be changing as this EU-wide push meets its objectives.
http://www.thelocal.se/20150219/swed...r-data-sharing
That will be changing as this EU-wide push meets its objectives.
Feb 20, 2015, 8:52 am
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The Danish PM (with a big thing for the US POTUS) has pushed to scrap various privacy rules to enable this mass surveillance (while using the excuse of a criminal attack perpetrated last week by someone who did his criminal attacks and had no material foreign travel nexus relevant to the crimes).
http://news.yahoo.com/denmark-unveil...150548159.html
The EU MEPs are also in on the ride, with only only small collection of MEPs (Greens) still opposed to such surveillance state systems.
The Brits too are going to be looking at expanding exit checks by government authorities, as they don't trust the airline reps.
This is basically a done deal as far as I am concerned. It's just a matter of how fast the agreements are finalized and the system updates take place.
http://news.yahoo.com/denmark-unveil...150548159.html
The EU MEPs are also in on the ride, with only only small collection of MEPs (Greens) still opposed to such surveillance state systems.
The Brits too are going to be looking at expanding exit checks by government authorities, as they don't trust the airline reps.
This is basically a done deal as far as I am concerned. It's just a matter of how fast the agreements are finalized and the system updates take place.
Mar 5, 2015, 1:42 am
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This is amusing: the person in the European Parliament charged with pushing into law this massive passenger PNR surveillance system is claiming that this would reduce "the need" for profiling passengers at airports. It's an amusing deception that Tim Kirkhope is peddling, given the whole purpose of this PNR surveillance effort is to profile passengers and hassle people based on the authorities' expanded profiling of passengers.
https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu...need-profiling
https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu...need-profiling
Apr 2, 2015, 2:51 am
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This kind of governmental "solution" in search of a "problem" has been making the rounds for at least the last several years (with issues covered herein too
http://aei.pitt.edu/11485/1/1903.pdf ); but its fans needed a new moment of tragedy to exploit in order to try (yet again) to get this implemented. And here again we have it, ironically just a few years after the biggest terrorist attack in the Schengen area was committed by a terrorist who didn't need to fly around to enable his atrocity and who wouldn't have been stopped by ID checks and profiling at airports - namely Norway's Islamophobic terrorist Anders B Breivik, a person whose attacks killed over 70 people in the course of a day just some 3.5 years ago.
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But they are pleased that this is increasingly seen as a done-deal that will,just take a bit of time and repeated reminders about terrorism:
http://www.scmp.com/news/world/artic...illance-regime
http://aei.pitt.edu/11485/1/1903.pdf ); but its fans needed a new moment of tragedy to exploit in order to try (yet again) to get this implemented. And here again we have it, ironically just a few years after the biggest terrorist attack in the Schengen area was committed by a terrorist who didn't need to fly around to enable his atrocity and who wouldn't have been stopped by ID checks and profiling at airports - namely Norway's Islamophobic terrorist Anders B Breivik, a person whose attacks killed over 70 people in the course of a day just some 3.5 years ago.
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But they are pleased that this is increasingly seen as a done-deal that will,just take a bit of time and repeated reminders about terrorism:
http://www.scmp.com/news/world/artic...illance-regime
https://euobserver.com/justice/128229
More about the German push: http://www.dw.de/germany-mulls-fligh...ash/a-18357818
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Apr 2, 2015, 1:47 pm
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FWIW, MEP Julia Reda ([email protected]) is working on things of this sort. Focused more on copyright reform at the moment IIRC, but I believe her platform is privacy in general. Probably a good contact if you want to organize.
Apr 29, 2015, 8:48 am
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The advocates for this mass public surveillance/control measure have found another tragedy to exploit. That being the March 2015 Germanwings crash attributed to a suicidal homicidal pilot/homicidal suicidal pilot. More here:
https://euobserver.com/justice/128229
More about the German push: http://www.dw.de/germany-mulls-fligh...ash/a-18357818
https://euobserver.com/justice/128229
More about the German push: http://www.dw.de/germany-mulls-fligh...ash/a-18357818
It is always an excuse to restrict freedom even if the problem has nothing to do with the remedy.
Apr 29, 2015, 10:39 am
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The idea is to spy upon and control the general flying public, using whatever excuse is convenient at the time. Some "solutions" only require running the excuse (read: "problem") to exploit and thus deploy the "solution" already crafted and being pursued.
Nov 19, 2015, 9:02 am
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The advocates for this mass public surveillance/control measure have found another tragedy to exploit. That being the March 2015 Germanwings crash attributed to a suicidal homicidal pilot/homicidal suicidal pilot. More here:
https://euobserver.com/justice/128229
More about the German push: http://www.dw.de/germany-mulls-fligh...ash/a-18357818
https://euobserver.com/justice/128229
More about the German push: http://www.dw.de/germany-mulls-fligh...ash/a-18357818
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...VQL6ykpIKz7.97
Nov 20, 2015, 8:34 am
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Things have changed for the worse in some ways, although maybe some sorts of visitors don't see it.
LHR is in the EU. Have you been? At least at T5, its screeners are more often more verbally hostile toward passengers than even our notorious (in the U.S.) TSA. And when it comes to some EU Schengen passport control stations, some have become increasingly nasty and engaged in behavior at primary that I've never witnessed with CBP at primary -- things like calling individual passengers "idiot" in loud voices and saying things such as "I hate your kind of people".
I've flown through LHR and LGW many times and all I've noticed is increasing screener hostility - more barking reminiscent of stateside moat dragons and increasingly terse language.
I was relieved when my passport expired and I finally could stop the inevitable second and third degrees I'd get over expired Saudi Arabian visas (I lived there as a civilian for three years) and the huge Arabic sticker on the back of it (the sponsors in KSA would mark your passport for easy identification - when you renewed your residency visa, the sponsor would just get them back in a huge box and someone would sort them; the sticker allegedly made for easier identification of which passports went to which office).
I also got personally walked once from check in to security while the AA agent at LHR held onto both my passport and my ticket and pointed me out for secondary screening because "she has lived in the Middle East in the past". Oh Good God. All I did was hand the guy my passport, my ticket, and tell him "Good morning," - and it all went downhill the second he opened the document.
The most amazing thing is this never happened in the States. The only thing I ever noticed with that passport was every time I went through RDU security they'd swab my bags. That couldn't have been random, not consistently. But I was never hassled any more than anyone else was.
I'm strawberry blonde and blue eyed, for the record, so it certainly wasn't profiling - not in that way.
No one has ever been happier about a passport expiring than I was.
In other news I cannot believe that Germanwings was way back in March. Where did 2015 go?
Nov 21, 2015, 3:49 pm
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Perhaps I've been lucky, based on comments noted in this thread; or, I just don't know how much better it was before this year.
Nov 23, 2015, 1:23 pm
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-fighters.html
They want the mass surveillance measure via PNRs to be applicable to all passengers flying to/from and within the EU/EEA. Many even want it applicable to international train travel in the region, even on routes that may be mainly commuter train routes.
They want the mass surveillance measure via PNRs to be applicable to all passengers flying to/from and within the EU/EEA. Many even want it applicable to international train travel in the region, even on routes that may be mainly commuter train routes.
Nov 24, 2015, 10:52 am
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The Obama Administration -- from the very top -- are pushing publicly and privately very hard to get all European countries to do mass public surveillance via PNRs and to change laws to mandate enabling such surveillance. This will or has come up during the Obama-Hollande meeting here today. The US Admin seems willing to use the US VWP as a stick/carrot to get the remaining EU/EEA VWP countries to change their laws and systems in order to get this in place.
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Dec 15, 2015, 8:09 am
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The Obama Administration -- from the very top -- are pushing publicly and privately very hard to get all European countries to do mass public surveillance via PNRs and to change laws to mandate enabling such surveillance. This will or has come up during the Obama-Hollande meeting here today. The US Admin seems willing to use the US VWP as a stick/carrot to get the remaining EU/EEA VWP countries to change their laws and systems in order to get this in place.
Originally Posted by NY Times
To bolster security, there should be “mandatory systematic checks of E.U. citizens at external land, sea, and air borders,” the commission said, adding that travelers’ details would be entered into a variety of European and national databases. Under the plan, travelers would also be checked when leaving the European Union.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...nd-easy-travel
Yet another example of governmental actors willing to grab more power by just waiting for a crisis to exploit and implement plans previously fancied by the same.
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