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Terminal dump at STN due to arriving international passengers mixing

Old Jan 9, 2015, 2:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Blogndog
Of course, ALL security procedures are baffling and ineffective, but I have always thought that the idea of getting screened at an airport I have just arrived in by air to be the absolute pinnacle of ridiculousness. Sorry, everyone, but it seems to be the norm worldwide, and not limited to Anglo countries or something.

What makes a security "expert" believe that someone might have smuggled a bomb or a weapon or a bottle of water or something on a flight TO LCY or AMS or FRA or Syracuse for that matter, but would not have used it because they had a plot to use it on the connecting flight instead? What would be the purpose in that? Mileage run before they get their 40 virgins?
History shows that some wannabe homicidal maniacs have held back (or wanted to hold back on) detonating an explosive device on earlier flights so as to have the IED go off on a connecting flight being targeted.
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Old Jan 11, 2015, 10:31 am
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Originally Posted by Spiff
No, it wouldn't. Any country with common sense would dismiss it as a one-off and let it go.
Well, no. Any country with common sense would evaluate the risk on the spot and act accordingly. The point is that the UK and US have given away common sense for the most part. If there was an identified risk you might do a terminal dump. Or you might track the movements through the airport of the identified risk and simply follow up individually with them and anyone they appear to interact with. Or you might do gate checks for the next two hours. Or six hours. Or whatever. Or you might do nothing because you assess there is no increased risk. All sorts of things you might do.
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Old Jan 11, 2015, 10:40 am
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
History shows that some wannabe homicidal maniacs have held back (or wanted to hold back on) detonating an explosive device on earlier flights so as to have the IED go off on a connecting flight being targeted.
Just as a sideline and on the more general topic of threat levels in aviation that's an interesting point actually: Given the laxity of security in the US and the widespread availability of components and knowledge for bomb making in the US, it can be argued that having someone fly and deposit an explosive on a flight would be an ideal vector for someone wanting to harm aviation. You don't require someone to make that psychological "leap" to suicide bombing: just book a ticket, place the bomb under the seat in front, get off and let the plane carry on to it's next flight (or some time in the future) when it goes bang via a simply timer. There's history of that method being used, yet it clearly isn't being pursued in the last decade or two. Closest would be the printer cartridge efforts from a few years ago - which is actually easier to protect against for security services. If they're paying attention.

The only rational conclusion is that the threat itself doesn't really exist in any meaningful sense.
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Old Jan 13, 2015, 12:26 pm
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Originally Posted by Spiff
Yet another reason not to transit nor O/D in the UK.

Mindless idiocy.
We would love to welcome you in Ireland. The last NOS got torn out in 2013 because they were "backing up the line".
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Old Jan 13, 2015, 1:37 pm
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Originally Posted by stifle
We would love to welcome you in Ireland. The last NOS got torn out in 2013 because they were "backing up the line".
Love DUB other than the Shoe Carnival and some of the "security" employees.

Lounges could stand an upgrade too...
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Old Jan 13, 2015, 1:46 pm
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We'd love to get rid of the shoe carnival, but we'd also need to get rid of flights to the USA
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Old Jan 13, 2015, 1:58 pm
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Originally Posted by stifle
We'd love to get rid of the shoe carnival, but we'd also need to get rid of flights to the USA
The shoe carnival doesn't exist at all other airports with flights to the USA. Apparently it is possible to have international flights to the USA without the local authorities' security screeners (contracted or otherwise hired by airport/government) having a shoe carnival. That said, it's more complicated when it comes to airports with US CBP Preclearance facilities.
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Old Jan 13, 2015, 2:05 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
The shoe carnival doesn't exist at all other airports with flights to the USA. Apparently it is possible to have international flights to the USA without the local authorities' security screeners (contracted or otherwise hired by airport/government) having a shoe carnival. That said, it's more complicated when it comes to airports with US CBP Preclearance facilities.
The problem, as you allude to, is that precleared pax originating from DUB or SNN are disgorged at domestic gates on arrival in the USA (and can connect within the same terminal without being rescreened) and the USA won't allow this unless the pax have been screened to US standards.

Postcleared pax need to be rescreened by the TSA before flying on elsewhere.
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Old Jan 13, 2015, 2:26 pm
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Originally Posted by stifle
There was a terminal dump yesterday at Stansted Airport after passengers arriving from LIS on Ryanair (believe it was FR1887) were routed through the wrong door and into the departures hall instead of arrivals. The UK being the only EU country which does not trust other EU countries' screening standards, it was determined that all passengers in the terminal had now had the opportunity to interact with "non-sterile" passengers and would need to be rescreened, causing delays of up to 2 hours.

An investigation is in progress as to who was responsible for the wrong door being opened.
Isn't the issue here that passengers have access to checked bags, since the UK doesn't participate in Schengen?
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Old Jan 13, 2015, 2:44 pm
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Originally Posted by N1120A
Isn't the issue here that passengers have access to checked bags, since the UK doesn't participate in Schengen?
No. They were routed from the plane into the departures hall, through the door that the departing passengers would have gone out to the plane. They had not had access to checked bags. (Ryanair does not use jetbridges.)
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