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U.S. officials announced plans for greater screening of passengers arriving from W Africa for Ebola on 11 October. On 22 October, more intense monitoring of such travelers was announced.
U.S. to Monitor Visitors from 3 West African Nations for 21 Days
U.S. to Monitor Visitors from 3 West African Nations for 21 Days
New monitoring rules were put into place Wednesday for travelers from West African countries with Ebola outbreaks entering the United States.
Starting next Monday, such travelers will be required to report their body temperatures for three weeks on a daily basis in addition to any potential symptoms of the deadly virus....
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Starting next Monday, such travelers will be required to report their body temperatures for three weeks on a daily basis in addition to any potential symptoms of the deadly virus....
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U.S. to Screen for Ebola at 5 Airports
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From the CDC:
Number of annual deaths for each disease
Heart disease: 596,577
Cancer: 576,691
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,932
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 126,438
Alzheimer's disease: 84,974
Diabetes: 73,831
Number of Ebola deaths: 1
Its good to see people's priorities are in the right places.....
Number of annual deaths for each disease
Heart disease: 596,577
Cancer: 576,691
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,932
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 126,438
Alzheimer's disease: 84,974
Diabetes: 73,831
Number of Ebola deaths: 1
Its good to see people's priorities are in the right places.....
There is already concern in the medical community that the virus has mutated and can infect via the air in confined spaces without direct contact with a carrier's bodily fluids - I am not sure if this was reported in the news yet, but this news is making its way through the medical community, if not the general news. Another mutation could occur at any time - and better that mutation occur far away from North American soil.
The main risk here from the perspective of the medical community is allowing things to get out of hand due to mistakes. The guy who just died in Texas from Ebola had a broad contact matrix while infected - because the hospital made critical mistakes in diagnosing him. If these types of mistakes continue to occur on a frequent basis, all of a sudden we have a big problem - if not a significant number of infected or exposed people, then certainly a public panic.
While screening for Ebola upon arrival might seem silly, the checks are (as I understand it) restricted to passengers arriving from specific impacted regions, and the checks add another layer of protection which will help minimize the impact of clinical mistakes which are almost guaranteed to occur and lead to increased risk.
If this thing gets out of hand over here, the death toll might pale in comparison to influenza, but the public panic and government knee-jerk reactions will cause far more pain than the disease itself, and that is pain I'd rather avoid. If someone is stupid enough to travel to West Africa right now with this thing spreading like wildfire, a cursory check upon arrival here is reasonable.
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I agree that more aggressive measures are needed, flight bans, etc, there is a risk for a major epidemic here, and even the US couldn't handle the one case they had. The flight bans should be comprehensive, including all flights originating from the infected countries and be initiated by the infected countries themselves. The west needs to pour millions of dollars into solving this problem aggressively, and very soon.
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This is such a joke, typical knee jerk response and security theatre while avoiding the real solution. CBP are not trained medical professionals, and even the MDs have misdiagnosed ebola victims. The only real solution is to quarantine these countries by suspending regular flight service and to quarantine anyone arriving from these countries. As others have noted, most do not arrive on nonstops but via European connections. So that is an awful lot of flights to check.
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From the CDC:
Number of annual deaths for each disease
Heart disease: 596,577
Cancer: 576,691
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,932
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 126,438
Alzheimer's disease: 84,974
Diabetes: 73,831
Number of Ebola deaths: 1
Its good to see people's priorities are in the right places.....
Number of annual deaths for each disease
Heart disease: 596,577
Cancer: 576,691
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,932
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 126,438
Alzheimer's disease: 84,974
Diabetes: 73,831
Number of Ebola deaths: 1
Its good to see people's priorities are in the right places.....
Also - running for your flight, will raise your temp - so will that make the scanners go off? Ebola has a 3(?) week incubation period, so no symptons before #false negative....?
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While screening for Ebola upon arrival might seem silly, the checks are (as I understand it) restricted to passengers arriving from specific impacted regions, and the checks add another layer of protection which will help minimize the impact of clinical mistakes which are almost guaranteed to occur and lead to increased risk.
As others have stated, what is needed is money, trained personel & facilities in the affected regions to help combat the problem at it's source - I doubt the situation will be bought under control so long as treatment & quarantine centers are having to turn away patients due to lack of space.
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This is such a joke, typical knee jerk response and security theatre while avoiding the real solution. CBP are not trained medical professionals, and even the MDs have misdiagnosed ebola victims. The only real solution is to quarantine these countries by suspending regular flight service and to quarantine anyone arriving from these countries. As others have noted, most do not arrive on nonstops but via European connections. So that is an awful lot of flights to check.
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This is such a joke, typical knee jerk response and security theatre while avoiding the real solution. CBP are not trained medical professionals, and even the MDs have misdiagnosed ebola victims. The only real solution is to quarantine these countries by suspending regular flight service and to quarantine anyone arriving from these countries. As others have noted, most do not arrive on nonstops but via European connections. So that is an awful lot of flights to check.
The right solution is to a) help these countries end the epidemic in their own countries, and b) to improve our own capabilities to isolate and treat victims quickly and educate and monitor those exposed. This solution also has the benefit of preventing not only this epidemic but helping to prevent the next one.
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There is already concern in the medical community that the virus has mutated and can infect via the air in confined spaces without direct contact with a carrier's bodily fluids - I am not sure if this was reported in the news yet, but this news is making its way through the medical community, if not the general news. Another mutation could occur at any time - and better that mutation occur far away from North American soil.
Believe it or not, doctors can be anti-scientific as well. News 'making its way' through the medical community is no more reliable than news making its way through other communities. Have epidemiologists (not surgeons) pointed to evidence in infection patterns which demonstrate this?
WHO data seem to suggest that transmission in this epidemic is no different than in past epidemics of Ebola. The problem is that since many of the victims are in cities and towns, it is harder to use isolation to control it, especially given that these countries have virtually no medical facilities.
The main risk here from the perspective of the medical community is allowing things to get out of hand due to mistakes. The guy who just died in Texas from Ebola had a broad contact matrix while infected - because the hospital made critical mistakes in diagnosing him. If these types of mistakes continue to occur on a frequent basis, all of a sudden we have a big problem - if not a significant number of infected or exposed people, then certainly a public panic.
While screening for Ebola upon arrival might seem silly, the checks are (as I understand it) restricted to passengers arriving from specific impacted regions, and the checks add another layer of protection which will help minimize the impact of clinical mistakes which are almost guaranteed to occur and lead to increased risk.
If this thing gets out of hand over here, the death toll might pale in comparison to influenza, but the public panic and government knee-jerk reactions will cause far more pain than the disease itself, and that is pain I'd rather avoid. If someone is stupid enough to travel to West Africa right now with this thing spreading like wildfire, a cursory check upon arrival here is reasonable.
Should we mindful, yes. Should we spend money to strengthen our infrastructure to combat infectious disease, yes. Should we waste money on actions which even the government acknowledges are more to pacify the public than to actually combat the problem, no.
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DHS Has Not Effectively Managed Pandemic Personal Protective Equipment and Antiviral Medical Countermeasures
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Would you propose then banning flights to coutures with Cholera? Yellow Fever? The Bubonic Plague? That would mean a travel ban to/from China, Peru and the United States...
The point is there are many highly communicable diseases word wide in many countries. Let's put this into perspective for a moment.
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Yellow Fever causes 30,000 deaths a year. Anyone hear a peep about that recently?
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OK,
Would you propose then banning flights to coutures with Cholera? Yellow Fever? The Bubonic Plague? That would mean a travel ban to/from China, Peru and the United States...
The point is there are many highly communicable diseases word wide in many countries. Let's put this into perspective for a moment.
Would you propose then banning flights to coutures with Cholera? Yellow Fever? The Bubonic Plague? That would mean a travel ban to/from China, Peru and the United States...
The point is there are many highly communicable diseases word wide in many countries. Let's put this into perspective for a moment.
Coutures with cholera - ewww. Sorry, just had to acknowledge a moment of black humor with your (I presume) autocorrect error.
Back to the subject at hand, you make a great point. Where do we draw the line?
We are becoming irrational about Ebola because it has high mortality and because we are unfamiliar with it, but there are far more serious health concerns currently in the US which we blithely ignore every day.
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Coutures with cholera - ewww. Sorry, just had to acknowledge a moment of black humor with your (I presume) autocorrect error.
Back to the subject at hand, you make a great point. Where do we draw the line?
We are becoming irrational about Ebola because it has high mortality and because we are unfamiliar with it, but there are far more serious health concerns currently in the US which we blithely ignore every day.
Coutures with cholera - ewww. Sorry, just had to acknowledge a moment of black humor with your (I presume) autocorrect error.
Back to the subject at hand, you make a great point. Where do we draw the line?
We are becoming irrational about Ebola because it has high mortality and because we are unfamiliar with it, but there are far more serious health concerns currently in the US which we blithely ignore every day.
There is a great deal of misinformation out there. And modern (pseudo) journalism isn't helping. I blame CNN et. al.
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OK,
Would you propose then banning flights to coutures with Cholera? Yellow Fever? The Bubonic Plague? That would mean a travel ban to/from China, Peru and the United States...
The point is there are many highly communicable diseases word wide in many countries. Let's put this into perspective for a moment.
Would you propose then banning flights to coutures with Cholera? Yellow Fever? The Bubonic Plague? That would mean a travel ban to/from China, Peru and the United States...
The point is there are many highly communicable diseases word wide in many countries. Let's put this into perspective for a moment.
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