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Old Jul 26, 2014, 5:39 pm
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They're there for show. It looks tough.
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Old Jul 26, 2014, 5:48 pm
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Originally Posted by centxwx
I believe they are there to eliminate the risk of the aircraft being used as a weapon of mass destruction such as occurred on 9-11. In other words, to shoot it down if it headed toward any targets of opportunity.
Exactly. If the plane doesn't land when directed to land and appear to be headed for a populated area, they shoot it down. Pre-9/11 we would never do that. The world has changed.
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Old Jul 26, 2014, 6:13 pm
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Originally Posted by roberino
... People must surely be allowed to sue for compensation if the military took the probability that their loved ones die in a plane hitting a built up area and replaced it with the certainty of death when the shoot-down order was given, no?
Who would they sue? Not the federal government or its officers, who have sovereign immunity. I suppose they could try to sue the airline for allowing the threat to occur on-board in the first place. That doesn't really seem like a case that would be likely to succeed but you never know. Juries can be stupid at times as illustrated by that ridiculous suicide-by-tobacco award referenced above. Expect that one to be chopped back to something reasonable when it gets to appeal.
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Old Jul 26, 2014, 7:03 pm
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Originally Posted by Letitride3c
NORAD treated it as a full scale exercise, "live" in real time and of course, on the Canadian side, they wanted to do practice on the ground - so, half a dozen rambo SWATs boarded SW772 after its escorted landing. Parked in a remote/secure area and once they opened the main cabin door, they charged inside for their "for real" drills - live ammo & all, etc. http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/26/world/...html?hpt=hp_t2

The suspect is said to be out on bail already and has a mental health history.
I had read this earlier, it had to be absolutely terrifying for all of the other passengers on the plane. I wondered, could they have done this a little less rambo style?
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Old Jul 26, 2014, 7:18 pm
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What are fighter jet escorts actually for?

Haven't you seen Executive Decision?
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Old Jul 26, 2014, 8:33 pm
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Fighters can do things other than shoot down other planes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...99/crash26.htm
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Old Jul 26, 2014, 9:03 pm
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Originally Posted by abmj-jr
Juries can be stupid at times as illustrated by that ridiculous suicide-by-tobacco award referenced above. Expect that one to be chopped back to something reasonable when it gets to appeal.
I was surprised by that decision especially this far after the MSA.
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Old Jul 26, 2014, 9:35 pm
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Old Jul 26, 2014, 10:44 pm
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Originally Posted by will2288
Legally, probably not. But I was also disagreeing with the notion that compensation could be anywhere close to trillions. I could see a reasonable settlement from the government combined with very generous public donations that occur after such events.
The concept of sovereign immunity would be brought into play right away. Basically, the government can't be sued for monetary damages unless it allows itself to be sued (some limited exceptions have been carved off by the courts of different countries but most Western countries have this concept).
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Old Jul 27, 2014, 4:16 am
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Originally Posted by centxwx
I believe they are there to eliminate the risk of the aircraft being used as a weapon of mass destruction such as occurred on 9-11. In other words, to shoot it down if it headed toward any targets of opportunity.
This won't happen. Real life is not Hollywood!
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Old Jul 27, 2014, 4:52 am
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Originally Posted by Badenoch
I have little doubt American fighter pilots would shoot down an aircraft filled with foreign nationals if their superiors concluded it would save American lives on the ground. The pilots wouldn't make the decision on their own but would fire the rockets if so ordered.
One would hope that the decision would be to try and save all lives as far as possible not choose "foreign nationals" over "american lives". And what about if the aircraft had US citizens on board? Would that just make the choice harder? I just don't get that belonging to one particular nation makes you more valuable.
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Old Jul 27, 2014, 5:41 am
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Originally Posted by Jalinth
The concept of sovereign immunity would be brought into play right away. Basically, the government can't be sued for monetary damages unless it allows itself to be sued (some limited exceptions have been carved off by the courts of different countries but most Western countries have this concept).
It took the U.S. government 8 years to finally compensate the victims of Iran Air 655 and only compensated after Iran took the matter to the International Court. The U.S. has never formally apologized but saw fit to award medals to the killers of 290 people including 66 children.

A plane full of Canadians? The U.S. government would send us down in flames with high fives all round if they thought there was the slightest chance Americans on the ground might be harmed.
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Old Jul 27, 2014, 6:57 am
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Originally Posted by lloydah
One would hope that the decision would be to try and save all lives as far as possible not choose "foreign nationals" over "american lives". And what about if the aircraft had US citizens on board? Would that just make the choice harder? I just don't get that belonging to one particular nation makes you more valuable.
Don't you know that this country and its citizens are "exceptional?" /sarcasm
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Old Jul 27, 2014, 7:11 am
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Originally Posted by roberino
You sure? A woman won $23bn this week because her husband chain-smoked himself to death. If the state effectively executes 200 people, no matter how many are potentially saved, the compensation per person wouldn't be much different from that.
States might be excepted in cases of war or terrorism, but if not, not everybody will be able to afford and wait a long and potentially painfull trial. Most of them will settle for a very (in terms) lower amount.
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Old Jul 27, 2014, 9:48 am
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Originally Posted by Badenoch
It took the U.S. government 8 years to finally compensate the victims of Iran Air 655 and only compensated after Iran took the matter to the International Court. .
That issue is a tad more complicated. The US also wanted to insure the money went to the families and not into the pockets of the Iranian regime. It took several years to make that happen....but I digress.

Having conducted many, of these exact things in both North America and Europe over the years, there are scores of options and scenarios involved too numerours (and often classified) to list here, but both NATO and NORAD have multiple options that having a fighter intercept happen provide. As for "wasting money" the budget money is already there. These happen often on military targets, normally Russian Bear and Blackjack bombers; the way funding works you would not save money by not having a single intercept.

As an aside to the poster earlier NORAD does not have swat teams. Once the plane hit the ground it was handed off to local LEOs.
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