WP: "D.C. resident: TSA agent questioned if license from nations capital was valid"
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In all, NOT a huge deal.
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I understand that, but that's not the letter of the rule. It clearly refers to a driver licence as "state-issued" and a DC licence is not, in fact, state issued. A clear and obvious oversight? Absolutely. But imagine you're new to the high stress job of protecting the nation's air travel infrastructure, bla bla bla and all you remember is "state-issued photo ID... oh ...., DC isn't a state... is that okay? *pauses* They GOTTA be okay with DC it's the country's capital but... better apologise and ask the boss just to be 100% sure"
In all, NOT a huge deal.
In all, NOT a huge deal.
What happened to the DC DL user is a substantive problem -- it shows that the TSA has front-line characters who don't follow the TSA SOP, including those SOPs about ID. The TSA rejection of a DC DL violates the letter of the rule.
I posted straight out of the TSA internal guide.
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What I posted is the letter of the rule. Read the TSA SOP guides if you can. It's as I said.
What happened to the DC DL user is a substantive problem -- it shows that the TSA has front-line characters who don't follow the TSA SOP, including those SOPs about ID. The TSA rejection of a DC DL violates the letter of the rule.
I posted straight out of the TSA internal guide.
What happened to the DC DL user is a substantive problem -- it shows that the TSA has front-line characters who don't follow the TSA SOP, including those SOPs about ID. The TSA rejection of a DC DL violates the letter of the rule.
I posted straight out of the TSA internal guide.
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The TSA is consistent in that it is inconsistent. And those characters even tell the public that the inconsistency is there for the public's safety -- just another example of TSA giving the public malarkey.
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If that is the case, then why won't a municipal ID work? Many cities in the US issue ID cards that are specifically designed for "undocumented" immigrants that can't get state ID.
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At least some municipal-authority-issued photo ID's do work. It may have to do with the REAL ID Act or some other such idiocy or it may not -- I'd have to find that out and I'm not about to spend my time doing that at this time.
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Small update... I just spent the week in Denver, where they card everyone - and decided as an experiment, to only carry my PR ID.
Aside from the novelty of it, there were no problems with it. One person at a recreational dispensary asked for my passport - a quick "PR is part of the US" resolved that (oh yeah! I forgot!); and one bouncer at a club had to ask his manager "do we take PR ID's?", but that was resolved in seconds.
But that was in a fairly progressive well-educated city. I'll try that out in a place that's not so exemplary and follow up.
As far as the airports involved - SJU, MCO, DEN, and MIA - the ID was a non-issue. No questions, no raised eyebrows, no comments.
Aside from the novelty of it, there were no problems with it. One person at a recreational dispensary asked for my passport - a quick "PR is part of the US" resolved that (oh yeah! I forgot!); and one bouncer at a club had to ask his manager "do we take PR ID's?", but that was resolved in seconds.
But that was in a fairly progressive well-educated city. I'll try that out in a place that's not so exemplary and follow up.
As far as the airports involved - SJU, MCO, DEN, and MIA - the ID was a non-issue. No questions, no raised eyebrows, no comments.
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And a large proportion of the residents can't afford to spend money taking discretionary trips under the current oligopolistic market conditions where the big 3 airline kingpins running the cartel show have made prices less affordable.
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I understand that, but that's not the letter of the rule. It clearly refers to a driver licence as "state-issued" and a DC licence is not, in fact, state issued. A clear and obvious oversight? Absolutely. But imagine you're new to the high stress job of protecting the nation's air travel infrastructure, bla bla bla and all you remember is "state-issued photo ID... oh ...., DC isn't a state... is that okay? *pauses* They GOTTA be okay with DC it's the country's capital but... better apologise and ask the boss just to be 100% sure"
In all, NOT a huge deal.
In all, NOT a huge deal.
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If an out-of-state ID is fake, they would get into trouble.
While I do not like the idea of granting government(s) more power, a national ID (to be used for identification, including voting and TSA) makes some sense since we have been told voter fraud is / is not a major problem and obtaining a valid ID is easy / difficult - depending upon your political stance - thus solving both "problems". Since States (including DC and territories) already issue DLs and even non-DL ID cards, it would be just moving the power from the States to the Federal government. Maybe the card could even have check marks indicating it is also a drivers license, Medicare card, hand gun permit, etc. (it should be a chip-enbedded card).
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Ugh. Tried to edit previous post, but system won't allow me.
I wanted to add: "the state authorities would issue the card but in a Federal uniform format, with information sharing among the States and Federal government."
I wanted to add: "the state authorities would issue the card but in a Federal uniform format, with information sharing among the States and Federal government."
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That's exactly what the REAL ID Act is trying to implement, but there has been lots of opposition from states and not a lot of money for implementation.
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I noticed this morning while scanning the DC area news on WTOP.com that DC is moving forward with getting their driver's licenses in compliance with the Federal REAL ID requirements. http://www.wtop.com/109/3603648/Thou...d-new-licenses Texas licenses seem, as far as I can tell, to have all the information required by REAL ID but apparently the sharing via a Federal database and maybe the various "proofs of residency/citizenship" are an issue. I didn't spend a lot of time this morning researching what the issues are for Texas so I may be way off and there may be some other significant issues. I was a bit surprised at Texas' estimation of what it will or would cost to fully implement REAL ID, something in the neighborhood of $100M +/-. I did notice that Texas is what I'd call one of the "in the middle" states and they appear to be closer to compliance than a couple of dozen other states. I can't find a recent article but it doesn't appear that Texas has joined the couple of dozen or so states that are fighting REAL ID in court.