Sometimes, TSA is not as evil it seems to us.
Feb 10, 2014, 6:59 am
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Many of us have been posting about removing TSA since its unfortunate inception. There was no valid reason to replace the security screening companies that had been working on 9/11 with the disgusting, un-American piece of crap agency known as TSA.
Look around this forum. There's 13+ years' worth of real alternatives to the TSA mistake.
Screening practices should be completely up to the airlines and the government should have zero say in the matter. The airlines have a vested interest in their planes not blowing up and will take appropriate measures.
Look around this forum. There's 13+ years' worth of real alternatives to the TSA mistake.
Screening practices should be completely up to the airlines and the government should have zero say in the matter. The airlines have a vested interest in their planes not blowing up and will take appropriate measures.
Feb 10, 2014, 8:10 am
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does my pet rock.
Feb 10, 2014, 8:11 am
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Feb 10, 2014, 10:13 am
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And having an aircraft hijacked due to poor screening is also bad for one's profit margin --- so much so that airlines will have strong incentive to have adequate security.
Feb 10, 2014, 11:04 am
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Cue "See, it's working already!" joke from Cracker Jack box, ca. 1977
Bill: Flapping my arms to keep the alligators away.
Tom: But there are no alligators around here.
Bill: See, it's working already!
Feb 10, 2014, 11:33 am
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Feb 10, 2014, 1:03 pm
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Your agency has not prevented a single terrorist incident. It has not caught a single terrorist. It has not even assisted in achieving one of those goals.
Your agency has a 0% success rate. It has not done the thing it was designed to to do and is given $8 billion a year to do, even once, even partially, even a tiny little bit, ever.
Obviously, a metal detector can't detect IEDs unless they have metalic components. But it's not the metal detector's job to detect IEDs, never has been and never will be.
The metal detector's purpose, from the first day it was deployed back in the 70s, is to detect metalic weapons, which could be used to hijack a plane or create a mass casualty among the passengers. Hijacking is almost extinct, thanks to 9/11, because 9/11 caused flight deck doors to be reinforced and has frightened pax and pilots into never again cooperating with hijackers for fear of a kamikaze run. However, mass casualty incidents - mass shootings or slashings - are still a possibility among the passengers, and while these incidents don't post a threat to the aircraft itself, I am in favor of continuing to use the WTMD and HHMD to screen for firearms and large edged weapons.
Detecting IEDs can only be done with techniques or technology that detects the one indispensible part of such a device, the explosives themselves. Either sniffer dogs or chemical detectors work, up to a point. Of course the carry-on x-ray can also be of assistance since, it will show some explosives like C4 as a solid mass that must be investigated further.
But, hey, nice straw man you threw up there. Kudos!
Feb 10, 2014, 7:55 pm
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Just because you repeat a lie over and over again doesn't make it true.
Feb 11, 2014, 3:48 am
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Airport security on September 11 2001 did not allow the event to occur. As TSA is less effective then screening methods prior to 9/11, the chances of another 9/11 style event happening is higher now then it was before.
Feb 11, 2014, 3:51 am
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However, mass casualty incidents - mass shootings or slashings - are still a possibility among the passengers, and while these incidents don't post a threat to the aircraft itself, I am in favor of continuing to use the WTMD and HHMD to screen for firearms and large edged weapons
Feb 11, 2014, 8:49 am
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And The Bad Guys know it, which is why they moved on to the next threat vector, passenger-detonated explosives. And that failed miserably - twice - so they moved on to the next threat vector, explosives in cargo. Which failed, but barely, so it may happen again before they move on to the next threat vector.
I think that's a wild exaggeration. If TSA had radically increased the chances of a mass shooting aboard an aircraft, why hasn't there been even one attempt at it during TSA's entire 12 years of existence?
Feb 12, 2014, 10:42 am
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Longer lines are a perfect soft target for a bomber or shooter.
So are the crowds that come into being when TSA performs one of their stupid, unnecessary terminal dumps.
So are the crowds that come into being when TSA performs one of their stupid, unnecessary terminal dumps.
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Feb 12, 2014, 3:43 pm
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Every time I read the name of this thread I think, "Sometimes, TSA is not as evil it seems to us. Sometimes it's w
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