German passports to allow M, F, or X sex.
Nov 2, 2013, 2:50 pm
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German passports to allow M, F, or X sex.
German passports will be issued with three possible sex indications: M, F, or X. That is male, female and intersex classifications, including for newborn babies.
Well done Germany. It is long overdue that states realize that shoving people into binary categories fails to work for the diverse species of human beings.
Australia already allowed for this, but there were problems from the machine-reading of the machine-readable sections. New Zealand also allows for X IIRC.
Well done Germany. It is long overdue that states realize that shoving people into binary categories fails to work for the diverse species of human beings.
Australia already allowed for this, but there were problems from the machine-reading of the machine-readable sections. New Zealand also allows for X IIRC.
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German passports will be issued with three possible sex indications: M, F, or X. That is male, female and intersex classifications, including for newborn babies.
Well done Germany. It is long overdue that states realize that shoving people into binary categories fails to work for the diverse species of human beings.
Australia already allowed for this, but there were problems from the machine-reading of the machine-readable sections. New Zealand also allows for X IIRC.
Well done Germany. It is long overdue that states realize that shoving people into binary categories fails to work for the diverse species of human beings.
Australia already allowed for this, but there were problems from the machine-reading of the machine-readable sections. New Zealand also allows for X IIRC.
Nov 2, 2013, 7:49 pm
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German passports will be issued with three possible sex indications: M, F, or X. That is male, female and intersex classifications, including for newborn babies.
Well done Germany. It is long overdue that states realize that shoving people into binary categories fails to work for the diverse species of human beings.
Well done Germany. It is long overdue that states realize that shoving people into binary categories fails to work for the diverse species of human beings.
Nov 2, 2013, 7:52 pm
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Nature also creates people that are intersex at birth -- even on the chromosomal level but not limited to that.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/001669.htm
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Nov 2, 2013, 7:53 pm
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This is so cool, and so PC.
Except I think they should have Y and Z designation too.
For example my friend got his johnson removed and then
reattached and then had his/her labia readjusted and removed,
same with his/her breasts so the "Z" designation should apply, to accommodate ambivalent people like this, like, what does everybody think?
Except I think they should have Y and Z designation too.
For example my friend got his johnson removed and then
reattached and then had his/her labia readjusted and removed,
same with his/her breasts so the "Z" designation should apply, to accommodate ambivalent people like this, like, what does everybody think?
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[I doubt that most intersex babies get "fixed" in India at birth in the way you suggest; some even need passports to get "fixed".]However do you suggest a chromosomal "fix" for a person already born? Conducting such genetic experiments on intersex newborn babies is safe?
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http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24767225
Apparently Bangladesh, India, Nepal, and Pakistan are other countries -- beyond those mentioned earlier -- that are sort of there too in having government-issued ID docs useful for travel that include a sex categorization that is not a binary M or F categorization.
Apparently Bangladesh, India, Nepal, and Pakistan are other countries -- beyond those mentioned earlier -- that are sort of there too in having government-issued ID docs useful for travel that include a sex categorization that is not a binary M or F categorization.
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Not necessarily, unless forced to. [I doubt that most intersex babies get "fixed" in India at birth in the way you suggest; some even need passports to get "fixed".]
However do you suggest a chromosomal "fix" for a person already born? Conducting such genetic experiments on intersex newborn babies is safe?
[I doubt that most intersex babies get "fixed" in India at birth in the way you suggest; some even need passports to get "fixed".]However do you suggest a chromosomal "fix" for a person already born? Conducting such genetic experiments on intersex newborn babies is safe?
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Some usually don't; and some usually do. The human species is sufficiently diverse in a way that a binary sex classification for a growing number of people is unnatural at time of birth; and being forced into binary classification regime for sex would be increasingly misleading given there is a growing number of people who don't fit into a simple male or female sex classification at time of birth and even well beyond.
Three of the ten biggest democracies in the world now accept and issue non-male/non-female sex listings on government-issued ID used for travel: India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Hopefully their passports will get there too.
Three of the ten biggest democracies in the world now accept and issue non-male/non-female sex listings on government-issued ID used for travel: India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Hopefully their passports will get there too.
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'Sometimes surgery is done on the baby to turn its physical characteristics as far as possible in one direction or the other, our correspondent says.
The law in Germany has been changed following a review of cases which revealed great unhappiness.
In one case, a person with no clear gender-defining genitalia was subjected to surgery. The person said many years later: "I am neither a man nor a woman. I will remain the patchwork created by doctors, bruised and scarred." '