Is This Something New?
Oct 27, 2013, 3:20 pm
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Is This Something New?
On Friday, I went to meet a guest arriving at DEN. Since I had about 20 minutes before their flight, I walked around the 2 checkpoints in the main hall. It wasn't very busy at the time I was there. Anyways, at the entrance of both main checkpoints there is a TSA worker with an iPad looking device. As a passenger approaches, the worker intructs them to touch the screen. The screen then shows an arrow. Get a left arrow and you are directed to the regular screening line or get a right arrow and you join the TSA Pre-check line. If a family approached the line, only one person had to touch the screen. The arrow selection seemed to be fairly random but I didn't count the arrows vs passengers.
Oct 27, 2013, 3:36 pm
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On Friday, I went to meet a guest arriving at DEN. Since I had about 20 minutes before their flight, I walked around the 2 checkpoints in the main hall. It wasn't very busy at the time I was there. Anyways, at the entrance of both main checkpoints there is a TSA worker with an iPad looking device. As a passenger approaches, the worker intructs them to touch the screen. The screen then shows an arrow. Get a left arrow and you are directed to the regular screening line or get a right arrow and you join the TSA Pre-check line. If a family approached the line, only one person had to touch the screen. The arrow selection seemed to be fairly random but I didn't count the arrows vs passengers.
Another massive waste of taxpayer $$, but to answer your question, yes, it's new. Some Canadian airports have had something similar for years, IIRC. It's a 'randomizer' that assigns people to a more or less invasive screening experience. It's one of many different things you may witness around the country right now.
The good news may be that TSA is trying to improve the screening process - to improve effectiveness and possibly, to even improve the pax experience.
As much as I deplore the waste of taxpayer$ on new gizmoes, better these over-priced new devices than more NoS machines.
Oct 27, 2013, 4:21 pm
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It reminded me of the Mexican customs procedure. You press a button and if you got green, you proceeded to the exit. If you got red, you were asked questions by their customs agents.
I don't mind a randomizer per se. I would be happy if I got the correct arrow. However, I can see people that paid $85 to use pre-check would be ticked off that regular passengers potentially got to leave their shoes on at the screening point without paying any fee.
It will be interesting if it improves the checkpoints. I am surprised that Blogger Bob hasn't mentioned this new "improvement".
I don't mind a randomizer per se. I would be happy if I got the correct arrow. However, I can see people that paid $85 to use pre-check would be ticked off that regular passengers potentially got to leave their shoes on at the screening point without paying any fee.
It will be interesting if it improves the checkpoints. I am surprised that Blogger Bob hasn't mentioned this new "improvement".
Oct 27, 2013, 4:37 pm
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It reminded me of the Mexican customs procedure. You press a button and if you got green, you proceeded to the exit. If you got red, you were asked questions by their customs agents.
I don't mind a randomizer per se. I would be happy if I got the correct arrow. However, I can see people that paid $85 to use pre-check would be ticked off that regular passengers potentially got to leave their shoes on at the screening point without paying any fee.
It will be interesting if it improves the checkpoints. I am surprised that Blogger Bob hasn't mentioned this new "improvement".
I don't mind a randomizer per se. I would be happy if I got the correct arrow. However, I can see people that paid $85 to use pre-check would be ticked off that regular passengers potentially got to leave their shoes on at the screening point without paying any fee.
It will be interesting if it improves the checkpoints. I am surprised that Blogger Bob hasn't mentioned this new "improvement".
I sort of hoped for something like this approach, but that was on the basis of a few conditions ... including elimination of TSA boarding pass/ID checks -- which of course is unlikely to happen for (too) many years to come.
The randomizer approach may sort of mess up the screening checkpoint to some degree -- as differences in the screening process (at basically the same checkpoint area with much the same equipment) will lead to more passengers doing what they did the previous time and thus slowing others down more than may otherwise be the case -- that's because too many people will be unfamiliar with when to (not) do what.
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Oct 27, 2013, 4:42 pm
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For all the negativity on FT, this is a pilot for a program which will hopefully work and benefit all. The "randomizer" means that there is no way to game the system. Neither the Officer nor the pax has any way of knowing which way they will be directed. Could be 10 in a row to the slow boat line and then 2 to pre-check or vice-a-versa 10 mins. later.
The goal is to get 85% of the traveling public into a pre-check type of screening. Presumably that means a shift in the allocation of screening lines from standard to pre.
GE or the promised TSA system, will get you pre-check by selection rather than randomizer, so you should get it more often.
The goal is to get 85% of the traveling public into a pre-check type of screening. Presumably that means a shift in the allocation of screening lines from standard to pre.
GE or the promised TSA system, will get you pre-check by selection rather than randomizer, so you should get it more often.
Oct 27, 2013, 5:07 pm
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fingerprints
are we sure it isn't just taking a picture of our fingerprint and logging it in to some giant database? If I touched the screen with a band-aided finger, would they allow that? Not that I am paranoid, and not that they don't already know where I am, what i am thinking and what I am planning to do, and to whom, I like to think I have managed to evade being fingerprinted...I'd rather keep some portion of my self un"databased"
just call me Chicken Little.....
just call me Chicken Little.....
Oct 27, 2013, 5:20 pm
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For all the negativity on FT, this is a pilot for a program which will hopefully work and benefit all. The "randomizer" means that there is no way to game the system. Neither the Officer nor the pax has any way of knowing which way they will be directed. Could be 10 in a row to the slow boat line and then 2 to pre-check or vice-a-versa 10 mins. later.
The goal is to get 85% of the traveling public into a pre-check type of screening. Presumably that means a shift in the allocation of screening lines from standard to pre.
GE or the promised TSA system, will get you pre-check by selection rather than randomizer, so you should get it more often.
The goal is to get 85% of the traveling public into a pre-check type of screening. Presumably that means a shift in the allocation of screening lines from standard to pre.
GE or the promised TSA system, will get you pre-check by selection rather than randomizer, so you should get it more often.
Not in the OP's scenario.
The determination (pre or regular) was made by touching the screen, not by scanning the BP or traveling in uniform while active duty military with ID.
Oct 27, 2013, 5:27 pm
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Iirc, they're only being used in the regular line. Pax who are already eligible for PreCheck shouldn't be pressing the randomizer screen.
Oct 27, 2013, 6:05 pm
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For all the negativity on FT, this is a pilot for a program which will hopefully work and benefit all. The "randomizer" means that there is no way to game the system. Neither the Officer nor the pax has any way of knowing which way they will be directed. Could be 10 in a row to the slow boat line and then 2 to pre-check or vice-a-versa 10 mins. later.
The goal is to get 85% of the traveling public into a pre-check type of screening. Presumably that means a shift in the allocation of screening lines from standard to pre.
GE or the promised TSA system, will get you pre-check by selection rather than randomizer, so you should get it more often.
The goal is to get 85% of the traveling public into a pre-check type of screening. Presumably that means a shift in the allocation of screening lines from standard to pre.
GE or the promised TSA system, will get you pre-check by selection rather than randomizer, so you should get it more often.
Oct 27, 2013, 6:08 pm
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So no randomizers will be used to send GE/Pay-for-Pre-Play members for (non-Pre-LLL type of) additional screening? That's hopeful -- as in wishful -- thinking, for currently there is no certainty at TSA HQ that it is going to work out that way everywhere.
Oct 27, 2013, 6:41 pm
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I personally witnessed at SEA once. I was in the regular lane, and every single Pre pax was swabbed and bag checked while I was waiting for/getting my grope. They only swabbed hands and the bag check was pretty cursory (right on the belt), but there were some surprised and not happy people.
Oct 27, 2013, 9:04 pm
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For all the negativity on FT, this is a pilot for a program which will hopefully work and benefit all. The "randomizer" means that there is no way to game the system. Neither the Officer nor the pax has any way of knowing which way they will be directed. Could be 10 in a row to the slow boat line and then 2 to pre-check or vice-a-versa 10 mins. later.
The goal is to get 85% of the traveling public into a pre-check type of screening. Presumably that means a shift in the allocation of screening lines from standard to pre.
GE or the promised TSA system, will get you pre-check by selection rather than randomizer, so you should get it more often.
The goal is to get 85% of the traveling public into a pre-check type of screening. Presumably that means a shift in the allocation of screening lines from standard to pre.
GE or the promised TSA system, will get you pre-check by selection rather than randomizer, so you should get it more often.
Oct 27, 2013, 9:07 pm
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Benefit of all? Hardly. On my last flight, we had a whole host of Kettles that were sent over from the regular lines to precheck, which totally destroyed the advantage of precheck, given that the kettles didn't understand why they didn't have to remove their belts, shoes and coats, kept taking their liquid baggies out, etc. Leave it to TSA to F up the one good thing they've ever done.
