TSA PreCheck Expands Expedited Screening Benefits for International Travel
#16
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: LAS
Posts: 1,279
Unfortunately, the land of the free only comes to those that are brave. Last time I checked, an overwhelming majority of people WANT to sacrifice their freedom for the illusion of safety.
#17
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Chicago
Posts: 11,509
We (the US) require 100% forced re-screening for international transit passengers and set plenty of standards other countries' airport security must meet in order to be permitted to send flights here. Presumably the reverse is true even if others are less obnoxious then the TSA in the requirements they set.
#18
Formerly known as CollegeFlyer
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: JRA
Programs: UA 1K MM, AA PLT, Hyatt Diamond, Marriott Gold, Hertz 5*
Posts: 6,716
We (the US) require 100% forced re-screening for international transit passengers and set plenty of standards other countries' airport security must meet in order to be permitted to send flights here. Presumably the reverse is true even if others are less obnoxious then the TSA in the requirements they set.
That's a lot to presume based on no offical statements or other evidence...
#19
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: GSO
Programs: US Chairman, Hilton Diamond, Hertz 5S, Starwood Gold
Posts: 113
Maybe I missed it, but I've read the thread and the article and don't see any definitive listing of the international destinations that would qualify as the "select" destinations that will get this new benefit. Is anyone aware of a place to get more detail or is this all we have for now?
I guess I can just try the Pre-check lane regardless of destination now, but I would like to avoid the TSA "stink eye" if at all possible.
I guess I can just try the Pre-check lane regardless of destination now, but I would like to avoid the TSA "stink eye" if at all possible.
#20
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Chicago
Posts: 11,509
But nothing in this thread even says that Asian countries have stated any objections to PreCheck. So, are you presuming all four of these things? (1) that Japan, Korea, etc. which require re-screening, all set strict requirements on pax arriving from the US, (2) they have all determined that PreCheck screening does not meet those requirements, and (3) they are disallowing PreCheck for pax bound to Japan/Korea/etc., and (4) thus, the TSA announcement authorising PreCheck for int'l pax does not apply to pax going to Asia?
That's a lot to presume based on no offical statements or other evidence...
That's a lot to presume based on no offical statements or other evidence...
Originally Posted by NY Times Q&A with Pistole
Q. When will the program cover international travel?
A. We reached an agreement with the European Union, Canada and Australia for them to accept PreCheck passengers from the United States. So starting in the near future, those people that are part of PreCheck or Global Entry will be allowed to go through PreCheck when they fly internationally.
A. We reached an agreement with the European Union, Canada and Australia for them to accept PreCheck passengers from the United States. So starting in the near future, those people that are part of PreCheck or Global Entry will be allowed to go through PreCheck when they fly internationally.
Presumably there is something about Pre that requires permission from other countries. Or maybe not. But I don't think it is that big a leap given Pistole's statement.
#21
Suspended
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,103
There are parts of the EU that aren't part of the customs union which includes most of the EU.
How would the EC refuse to accept PreCheck screened passengers? By disallowing the limited elimination of transit screening on arrival for US-originating passengers that was already done before the PreCheck expansion just announced?
#22
Suspended
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,103
I'm basing my speculation on this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/01/bu...rity.html?_r=0
Presumably there is something about Pre that requires permission from other countries. Or maybe not. But I don't think it is that big a leap given Pistole's statement.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/01/bu...rity.html?_r=0
Presumably there is something about Pre that requires permission from other countries. Or maybe not. But I don't think it is that big a leap given Pistole's statement.
#25
Suspended
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,103
Part of the PreCheck determination for an individual passenger is the product of an analysis of passengers and passenger data related to previous flights that may go beyond the single ticketed PNR to be flown by the passenger on the pending flight.
The US wanted (and sometime got) this data before but wasn't being voluntarily given it to the extent wanted under formalized agreement.
By agreeing to accept PreCheck, the EC is recognizing that some privacy right waivers may be observed by them too.
The US wanted (and sometime got) this data before but wasn't being voluntarily given it to the extent wanted under formalized agreement.
By agreeing to accept PreCheck, the EC is recognizing that some privacy right waivers may be observed by them too.
#26
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: OKC
Programs: DL DM/2.768MM, Global Entry, Titanium_Marriott, GHertz
Posts: 6,748
Hi All,
Despite several searches, including Google, I did not see this posted.
As a mostly international FFer, this is excellent news! Program is supposed to start May 7, 2013.
MODS, if I missed it, please merge!
Thanks,
robin
TSA Pre✓™ Expands Expedited Screening Benefits for International Travel
Despite several searches, including Google, I did not see this posted.
As a mostly international FFer, this is excellent news! Program is supposed to start May 7, 2013.
MODS, if I missed it, please merge!
Thanks,
robin
TSA Pre✓™ Expands Expedited Screening Benefits for International Travel
The text in question is:
"In addition, passengers with connecting domestic flights who arrive in the United States on an international flight may use the TSA Pre✓™ lanes when going through the screening process at participating airports after being cleared by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP)."
#27
Suspended
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: DCA
Programs: UA US CO AA DL FL
Posts: 50,262
Good news. Both the random nature of pre and the fact that a person who wanted to board an intl. flight and still use the abbreviated pre process could simply buy a fullly refundable domestic ticket to get himself through pre, call in and cancel for a refund and then board his intl. flight, make this a simple step forward.
On the inbound intll-domestic connection point, I presume that TSA will ultimately open pre lanes at some checkpoints exclusively used for such connections.
On the inbound intll-domestic connection point, I presume that TSA will ultimately open pre lanes at some checkpoints exclusively used for such connections.
#28
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: SF Bay Area
Programs: UA 1K MM, Marriott Life Plat, various others of little note
Posts: 2,762
So I think the agreement of the destination country is necessary.
#29
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: SF Bay Area
Programs: UA 1K MM, Marriott Life Plat, various others of little note
Posts: 2,762
Sorry, but I don't know how to reproduce the text found in the OP, but what benefit in the arrival process is this for me coming into ATL from NRT three times this year since I have GE? Are they really going to have a separate lane that is like those when leaving ATL?
The text in question is:
"In addition, passengers with connecting domestic flights who arrive in the United States on an international flight may use the TSA Pre✓ lanes when going through the screening process at participating airports after being cleared by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP)."
The text in question is:
"In addition, passengers with connecting domestic flights who arrive in the United States on an international flight may use the TSA Pre✓ lanes when going through the screening process at participating airports after being cleared by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP)."
#30
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: WAS
Programs: AMEX Platinum, Global Entry, Priority Pass, SPG Gold, HHonors Gold
Posts: 1,594
I think they don't want such passengers in their airspace. For example, on a couple of flights from ADD to IAD we had to stop in Rome soley for the purpose of rescreening the passengers. That was the conditon of allowing a "direct" flight from ADD to the U.S. (and if you saw the clown school that passed for security at ADD, you'd understand why).