TSA PreCheck Expands Expedited Screening Benefits for International Travel
May 17, 2013, 7:18 pm
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I think this is fairly clear:
Alaska Airlines
American Airlines
Delta Air Lines
United Airlines
US Airways
With Southwest and Virgin America on the way.
At this time no foreign carriers take part in PreCheck.
Alaska Airlines
American Airlines
Delta Air Lines
United Airlines
US Airways
With Southwest and Virgin America on the way.
At this time no foreign carriers take part in PreCheck.
May 17, 2013, 7:55 pm
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As of Wednesday morning May 15, MHJIT (Concourse F) at ATL did not have a PreCheck line available for anyone. But there was not waiting at all in the regular line when I passed through outbound on KE.
May 18, 2013, 7:21 am
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It is not clear (to the pax, anyway) how codeshares are going to be handled.
If you and I are both on the same SFO-CDG AF/DL codeshare flight, does it matter if it is DL metal or AF metal? Or whose ticket stock our ticket is on? Or where we printed our BPs? (ie, if I book on AF's site, DL metal, print BP at home, but re-print at airport, can I get a 'Pre' BP?)
What if I book on DL's site, DL ticket stock, codeshare flight and AF is the operating carrier?
I don't think it's clear yet, but at least it is moving in the right direction (sort of) (since Pre should be the default screening process for everyone).
May 18, 2013, 7:27 am
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See above posts. It isn't clear (and remember, we're talking about TSA, an organization not known for publishing clear, unambiguous rules and then following them).
It is not clear (to the pax, anyway) how codeshares are going to be handled.
If you and I are both on the same SFO-CDG AF/DL codeshare flight, does it matter if it is DL metal or AF metal? Or whose ticket stock our ticket is on? Or where we printed our BPs? (ie, if I book on AF's site, DL metal, print BP at home, but re-print at airport, can I get a 'Pre' BP?)
What if I book on DL's site, DL ticket stock, codeshare flight and AF is the operating carrier?
I don't think it's clear yet, but at least it is moving in the right direction (sort of) (since Pre should be the default screening process for everyone).
It is not clear (to the pax, anyway) how codeshares are going to be handled.
If you and I are both on the same SFO-CDG AF/DL codeshare flight, does it matter if it is DL metal or AF metal? Or whose ticket stock our ticket is on? Or where we printed our BPs? (ie, if I book on AF's site, DL metal, print BP at home, but re-print at airport, can I get a 'Pre' BP?)
What if I book on DL's site, DL ticket stock, codeshare flight and AF is the operating carrier?
I don't think it's clear yet, but at least it is moving in the right direction (sort of) (since Pre should be the default screening process for everyone).
May 18, 2013, 8:13 am
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It has to be DELTA metal and the boarding pass is going to need to be printed by DELTA to get a PRE on it. If the BP is printed by Air France it won't work, because Air France isn't going to have the trusted travler info. But, frankly if I were TSA and I saw anyone trying to game the system or ask questions about gaming the system, I would remove them from the system.
Perhaps you could give an example of each for the sake of clarification? I wouldn't want to ask a question at the checkpoint and be retaliated against because a TSA misinterpreted my question as an attempt to 'game the system'.
(For example, I was specifically told I did not need to remove a Kippie bag with nothing but a travel toothpaste and toothbrush in it because I was 'just slowing things down'; at the same checkpoint, on a later occasion, I was chastised for having my toothbrush in my Kippie bag ("it's for liquids only"). If, on a later occasion, I hold up my Kippie bag and ask if it's ok to leave my toothbrush in, is that 'gaming the system'?)
I do feel much safer with people like yourself ensuring the integrity of the system, but you have still posted information regarding Pre and international flights that I have not seen on the TSA website. Could you indicate the source of your information, assuming it is not SSI?
May 19, 2013, 1:20 pm
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I read that PreCheck for outbound international flights was limited Canada, EU countries and Australia. This morning at MIA I didn't bother to go to the PreCheck line (AA flight MIA-BOG) but when my BP was scanned the magic LLL appeared and I was allowed to enter the PreCheck area. Great way to start a trip.
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May 19, 2013, 7:26 pm
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See bolded section about the "limit" not being a limit:
Gaming the system is a simple thing to do, and it goes to show what a joke this Orwellian Animal Farmesque and Kafkaesque TSA "trusted traveler" dog and pony show really is.
Refundable ticket from the most likely carrier to give the pax a PreCheck LLL outcome on a flight that is in the same terminal or airside-connected terminal area as the non-PreCheck carrier to be ultimately flown has been done already, repeatedly. The gaming may or may not have been intentional but the TSA's and the DHS contractor's idea for a fix is going to improve more than it messes? Doubtful.
So which country or group of countries is it that has refused to accept PreChecked-screened passengers but was accepting non-PreCheck US-originating passengers? The mention in Pistole's announcement was about Australia, Canada and the EU being included in the PreCheck expansion, and yet even without any more recent deals with various countries, a whole bunch of other countries beyond Australia, Canada and the EU are accepting PreCheck-screened passengers too even where no bilateral agreement was more recently made in the aviation sector.
It ought to be relatively clear to a bunch more people now that the situation is about as clear as mud when dealing with Pistole and his comments.
So has anyone considered that this or some other PreCheck "expansion" may really be part of a USG way to try to co-opt the EU/Canada/Australia/others and pre-empt (some) complaints about the US using "security" to erect an unlawful, trade-distorting NTB?
It ought to be relatively clear to a bunch more people now that the situation is about as clear as mud when dealing with Pistole and his comments.
So has anyone considered that this or some other PreCheck "expansion" may really be part of a USG way to try to co-opt the EU/Canada/Australia/others and pre-empt (some) complaints about the US using "security" to erect an unlawful, trade-distorting NTB?
It has to be DELTA metal and the boarding pass is going to need to be printed by DELTA to get a PRE on it. If the BP is printed by Air France it won't work, because Air France isn't going to have the trusted travler info. But, frankly if I were TSA and I saw anyone trying to game the system or ask questions about gaming the system, I would remove them from the system.
Refundable ticket from the most likely carrier to give the pax a PreCheck LLL outcome on a flight that is in the same terminal or airside-connected terminal area as the non-PreCheck carrier to be ultimately flown has been done already, repeatedly. The gaming may or may not have been intentional but the TSA's and the DHS contractor's idea for a fix is going to improve more than it messes? Doubtful.
May 20, 2013, 9:12 am
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While codeshares didn't work initially, PreCheck has gotten much better about that for domestic flights, as long as both airline participate in the program. For instance, I've had an Alaska flight work that was booked as an AA codeshare. Both airlines participate in PreCheck and my GE number is in both profiles.
However if one of the partners is a non-participating airline, it won't work. So unless you're flying on one of "the five" you won't get PreCheck.
Would be curious to hear reports of anyone flying on something like an AF ticket on DL metal and what that result is.
However if one of the partners is a non-participating airline, it won't work. So unless you're flying on one of "the five" you won't get PreCheck.
Would be curious to hear reports of anyone flying on something like an AF ticket on DL metal and what that result is.
May 23, 2013, 2:23 pm
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On a good note, the new T4 at JFK will have PreCheck!
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...-precheck.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...-precheck.html
May 23, 2013, 3:51 pm
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It's been possible to have a domestic US flight with PreCheck screening and then get checked in airside for international flights from the US without having to go through a non-PreCheck screening even before this latest announcement from Pistole. The destination countries aren't all so ignornant as to not have known this, even before the agreements were made that are the basis of Pistole's announcement on the expansion.
May 23, 2013, 3:51 pm
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It has to be DELTA metal and the boarding pass is going to need to be printed by DELTA to get a PRE on it. If the BP is printed by Air France it won't work, because Air France isn't going to have the trusted travler info. But, frankly if I were TSA and I saw anyone trying to game the system or ask questions about gaming the system, I would remove them from the system.
Did you ask them? How did they know you weren't gaming the system if you
asked them a question about it? 