TSA "choice" @SMF: open sealed baby formula or 1 parents gets grope
Apr 24, 2013, 2:44 pm
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If you are in this situation again, ask..no demand a LEO. The majority of police are decent (unlike the vast majority of TSOs) and may help bring this to a quick resolution. There's very little downside since asking for a LEO is not interering, obstructing, or anything else.
Apr 24, 2013, 2:49 pm
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I am not going to debate the sop with you people I was just trying to clear up something that the OP stated was made up when in fact its not. So I'm going back into lurk mode where I just should of stayed in the first place. I am now withdrawn from this conversation.
Apr 24, 2013, 2:53 pm
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If you are in this situation again, ask..no demand a LEO. The majority of police are decent (unlike the vast majority of TSOs) and may help bring this to a quick resolution. There's very little downside since asking for a LEO is not interering, obstructing, or anything else.
Apr 24, 2013, 3:26 pm
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Let SMF know that, thanks to TSA at SMF, you will try flying to/from SFO (or taking Amtrak) instead of SMF in the future.
Apr 24, 2013, 5:27 pm
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I am not going to debate the sop with you people I was just trying to clear up something that the OP stated was made up when in fact its not. So I'm going back into lurk mode where I just should of stayed in the first place. I am now withdrawn from this conversation.
Apr 24, 2013, 5:37 pm
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I am not going to debate the sop with you people I was just trying to clear up something that the OP stated was made up when in fact its not. So I'm going back into lurk mode where I just should of stayed in the first place. I am now withdrawn from this conversation.
Apr 24, 2013, 5:42 pm
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I am not going to debate the sop with you people I was just trying to clear up something that the OP stated was made up when in fact its not. So I'm going back into lurk mode where I just should of stayed in the first place. I am now withdrawn from this conversation.
Gosh, I hate when that happens. Now we may never know.
Apr 24, 2013, 6:05 pm
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Apr 24, 2013, 6:48 pm
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I am not going to debate the sop with you people I was just trying to clear up something that the OP stated was made up when in fact its not. So I'm going back into lurk mode where I just should of stayed in the first place. I am now withdrawn from this conversation.
I'd like to know the logic behind groping someone who has brought approved liquids in sealed containers to the airport, if they don't want to open the containers. What purpose is served? What evidence is gained? If there WERE something dangerous inside those bottles, how would subjecting one of the people carrying them to an extended security check render the liquid in the bottles suddenly "safe"?
I think those are reasonable questions. The fact that you have gone back into lurk mode rather than try to justify the actions of the TSA employees with something remotely resembling an intelligent answer says more about the value of "sop" than anything else.
And I can tell you that none of us are shocked you're abandoned the thread. We would've been much much more shocked if you'd actually attempted to answer the question. I mean, I'm sure there's a reasonable answer and that your superiors have imparted it to you, but maybe it's sooper sekret and you can't pass it on to us.
Color me skeptical.
Apr 24, 2013, 6:56 pm
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Nobody was debating SOP (though I can tell you that those of us who participate here would LOVE to know what it is, since it's ever-changing).
I'd like to know the logic behind groping someone who has brought approved liquids in sealed containers to the airport, if they don't want to open the containers. What purpose is served? What evidence is gained? If there WERE something dangerous inside those bottles, how would subjecting one of the people carrying them to an extended security check render the liquid in the bottles suddenly "safe"?
I think those are reasonable questions. The fact that you have gone back into lurk mode rather than try to justify the actions of the TSA employees with something remotely resembling an intelligent answer says more about the value of "sop" than anything else.
And I can tell you that none of us are shocked you're abandoned the thread. We would've been much much more shocked if you'd actually attempted to answer the question. I mean, I'm sure there's a reasonable answer and that your superiors have imparted it to you, but maybe it's sooper sekret and you can't pass it on to us.
Color me skeptical.
I'd like to know the logic behind groping someone who has brought approved liquids in sealed containers to the airport, if they don't want to open the containers. What purpose is served? What evidence is gained? If there WERE something dangerous inside those bottles, how would subjecting one of the people carrying them to an extended security check render the liquid in the bottles suddenly "safe"?
I think those are reasonable questions. The fact that you have gone back into lurk mode rather than try to justify the actions of the TSA employees with something remotely resembling an intelligent answer says more about the value of "sop" than anything else.
And I can tell you that none of us are shocked you're abandoned the thread. We would've been much much more shocked if you'd actually attempted to answer the question. I mean, I'm sure there's a reasonable answer and that your superiors have imparted it to you, but maybe it's sooper sekret and you can't pass it on to us.
Color me skeptical.
Apr 24, 2013, 8:53 pm
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On the other hand, I don't think it's a retaliatory patdown in this case. Rather, I think this is just a case of a total moron. Inspect the liquids or pat down the carrier being applied in a totally numbskull way as they didn't know who the carrier of the liquids was.
Apr 24, 2013, 9:52 pm
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You are not qualified to understand the Ways of TSA and how they apply their superior form of science...oh, wait, sorry: I'm completely wrong and they are simply full of crap.
Apr 25, 2013, 4:39 am
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This is too stupid to be anything more than a power trip, and a dumb one at that. Some ex-Mc Donald's worker needs a pound of flesh per passenger.
Factory sealed bottles that can be resolved by making Sophie's choice. Now I've seen it all.
Factory sealed bottles that can be resolved by making Sophie's choice. Now I've seen it all.
Apr 25, 2013, 7:17 am
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I am not going to debate the sop with you people I was just trying to clear up something that the OP stated was made up when in fact its not. So I'm going back into lurk mode where I just should of stayed in the first place. I am now withdrawn from this conversation.