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As much as I dislike the TSA and the stripping of our rights I can't support what this woman did.
Sure it's pleasing to mentally picture this but the fact is she is said to have assaulted two people.
As far as someone fighting for our rights...I love that it's a South Korean doing so.
As much as I dislike the TSA and the stripping of our rights I can't support what this woman did.
Sure it's pleasing to mentally picture this but the fact is she is said to have assaulted two people.
As far as someone fighting for our rights...I love that it's a South Korean doing so.
That's because you seem to have bought into the "patdown" terminology. From the story, we have no idea what the screeners touched on this woman and how hard or invasively they touched it. It could well have been justified by all normal, non-conditioned standards.
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To anyone who sees what this woman did in a positive light, do you really think this will be spun by TSA and/or other media outlets into anything other than portraying the TSA as a victim and further 'reminders' of how TSA screeners need to have their 'authority' respected?
I'm concerned that incidents like this may only lead to more rules to 'protect' screeners, e.g., ALL nametags hidden to protect privacy, stay x feet away from a screener, raising your voice is automatically considered a 'threat' to the screener, etc.
I'm of the opinion that instances of anyone physically assaulting a screener can only serve to hurt passengers in the long run.
And unless it was self-defense, I have a hard time seeing how this woman's actions can be defended.
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To anyone who sees what this woman did in a positive light, do you really think this will be spun by TSA and/or other media outlets into anything other than portraying the TSA as a victim and further 'reminders' of how TSA screeners need to have their 'authority' respected?
I'm concerned that incidents like this may only lead to more rules to 'protect' screeners, e.g., ALL nametags hidden to protect privacy, stay x feet away from a screener, raising your voice is automatically considered a 'threat' to the screener, etc.
I'm of the opinion that instances of anyone physically assaulting a screener can only serve to hurt passengers in the long run.
And unless it was self-defense, I have a hard time seeing how this woman's actions can be defended.
And who is protecting the public from the protectors? Dang sure it isn't TSA!
To anyone who sees what this woman did in a positive light, do you really think this will be spun by TSA and/or other media outlets into anything other than portraying the TSA as a victim and further 'reminders' of how TSA screeners need to have their 'authority' respected?
I'm concerned that incidents like this may only lead to more rules to 'protect' screeners, e.g., ALL nametags hidden to protect privacy, stay x feet away from a screener, raising your voice is automatically considered a 'threat' to the screener, etc.
I'm of the opinion that instances of anyone physically assaulting a screener can only serve to hurt passengers in the long run.
And unless it was self-defense, I have a hard time seeing how this woman's actions can be defended.
Most of us would be HAPPY to remain x feet from screeners at all times. The problem is that they are in your crotch in a heartbeat for the stupidest of reasons, if you're wearing a sanitary pad, or if their defective ETD swab test gives off yet another false positive (currently a 100% false positive rate). Or if you opt out of a backscatter device in which some pervert would see you sans clothing and some troll karate chops your genitalia as retribution.
Take a look at the comments to that story. There's NO love for TSA in just about ANY of them. The TSA has screwed the pooch by the way it has mis-treated passengers since 2010, and it has lost the support of the traveling public. Even if it turns out the passenger was completely without grounds, the TSA will find few defenders.
If I'm on the jury in this case, the burden of proof to convict just went up.
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Considering I've had about a good dozen verbal fights with TSA and request a LEO whenever I get patdown if I don't have my own witnes because I was karate chopped in the nuts by a TSO at LAX I don't think I buy into it. Hitting the TSO will get her some publicity and all that but in the end she ends up in lockup and possibly prison and the TSA becomes the victim.
Sidenote, when the guy did karate chop me I jumped back which was way better evidence because it was noticeable I had to remove myself from his touch. His supervisor was quick to react to the scene without jumping to conclusion that I was the offender.
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That's because you seem to have bought into the "patdown" terminology. From the story, we have no idea what the screeners touched on this woman and how hard or invasively they touched it. It could well have been justified by all normal, non-conditioned standards.
As much as I dislike the TSA and the stripping of our rights I can't support what this woman did.
Sure it's pleasing to mentally picture this but the fact is she is said to have assaulted two people.
As far as someone fighting for our rights...I love that it's a South Korean doing so.
Why are the only persons allowed to put their hands on others with impunity government paid goons? As stated elsewhere in this thread, we have no idea where she was touched.
Her status as a foreign national will be her salvation. This situation has the potential to blow up in the U.S.A.'s face when all of the facts come out (I hope it does). The government will not want it going viral in the Asian Twittersphere that a visit to this country will come with a free pelvic exam. I expect her to be released and deported quietly. A U.S. citizen would be facing serious charges.
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It isn't right. Its how things are until finally a politician has the testicular fortitude to end their career by saying the violation of our rights in the name of security of the fatherland has gone too far.
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Why are the only persons allowed to put their hands on others with impunity government paid goons? As stated elsewhere in this thread, we have no idea where she was touched.
Her status as a foreign national will be her salvation. This situation has the potential to blow up in the U.S.A.'s face when all of the facts come out (I hope it does). The government will not want it going viral in the Asian Twittersphere that a visit to this country will come with a free pelvic exam. I expect her to be released and deported quietly. A U.S. citizen would be facing serious charges.
Self-defense against sexual assault is a possibility.
Indeed. Before it even gets to a defense, it is to be seen if a prosecutor is even wishing to do what the TSA wishes to happen to this woman beyond whatever it is the TSA already did to her.
What is interesting is the comment in at least one of the articles that supposedly she didn't want her government informed about her arrest. As a foreign national arrested in the US covered by certain international agreements, she is entitled to consular access with her government being informed of her arrest.
I hope that the TSA's sexual groping of passengers becomes a major internet buzz item in South Korea and elsewhere in Asia. The US deserves the negative attention over this officially allowed groping of innocent people's private parts and then officially attacking those passengers who defend themselves from assault by government employees.
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To anyone who sees what this woman did in a positive light, do you really think this will be spun by TSA and/or other media outlets into anything other than portraying the TSA as a victim and further 'reminders' of how TSA screeners need to have their 'authority' respected?
I'm concerned that incidents like this may only lead to more rules to 'protect' screeners, e.g., ALL nametags hidden to protect privacy, stay x feet away from a screener, raising your voice is automatically considered a 'threat' to the screener, etc.
I'm of the opinion that instances of anyone physically assaulting a screener can only serve to hurt passengers in the long run.
And unless it was self-defense, I have a hard time seeing how this woman's actions can be defended.
I think screeners are combative enough without a real expectation of being assaulted-
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