Which security would you prefer: 1965 or 2012?
Nov 26, 2012, 6:11 pm
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Which security would you prefer: 1965 or 2012?
1965: no security measures whatsoever. No metal detectors, no screening of baggage, open cockpit.
2012: metal detectors, whole body imaging, patdowns, air marshals, etc.
For the purposes of this question, it's all or nothing. You can't choose some security measures and not others.
Looking forward to seeing people's opinions.
2012: metal detectors, whole body imaging, patdowns, air marshals, etc.
For the purposes of this question, it's all or nothing. You can't choose some security measures and not others.
Looking forward to seeing people's opinions.
Nov 26, 2012, 6:16 pm
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1965: no security measures whatsoever. No metal detectors, no screening of baggage, open cockpit.
2012: metal detectors, whole body imaging, patdowns, air marshals, etc.
For the purposes of this question, it's all or nothing. You can't choose some security measures and not others.
Looking forward to seeing people's opinions.
2012: metal detectors, whole body imaging, patdowns, air marshals, etc.
For the purposes of this question, it's all or nothing. You can't choose some security measures and not others.
Looking forward to seeing people's opinions.
Nov 26, 2012, 6:21 pm
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I picked it for illustrative purposes, in order to get people's opinions. The first security measures were implemented around 1970, so 1965 is the most recent time that there was no airline security.
Nov 26, 2012, 7:50 pm
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Nov 26, 2012, 8:26 pm
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1965: no security measures whatsoever. No metal detectors, no screening of baggage, open cockpit.
2012: metal detectors, whole body imaging, patdowns, air marshals, etc.
For the purposes of this question, it's all or nothing. You can't choose some security measures and not others.
Looking forward to seeing people's opinions.
2012: metal detectors, whole body imaging, patdowns, air marshals, etc.
For the purposes of this question, it's all or nothing. You can't choose some security measures and not others.
Looking forward to seeing people's opinions.
An absurd choice. Typically these threads end up being (mis-) quoted later as "that tin foil hat crowd over at TS&S doesn't want any airport security at all."
My vote is with Mikey (on the basis that he meant to say 9/10/01), gfunk, Flies and halls.
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Nov 26, 2012, 9:01 pm
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If those are my only choices, 1965.
As others have said, hardened cockpit doors and no surrender to demands are reasonable additions.
At some point I have to evaluate the importance of perceived safety to the loss of constitutional protections. I'll take the affirmed importance of the constitution.
Liberty involves risk. Mitigation of risk requires intelligence, courage and personal responsibility.
The reduction in liberty due to the lack of these qualities in our citizens I consider to be one of the greatest tragedies of our modern age.
As others have said, hardened cockpit doors and no surrender to demands are reasonable additions.
At some point I have to evaluate the importance of perceived safety to the loss of constitutional protections. I'll take the affirmed importance of the constitution.
Liberty involves risk. Mitigation of risk requires intelligence, courage and personal responsibility.
The reduction in liberty due to the lack of these qualities in our citizens I consider to be one of the greatest tragedies of our modern age.
Nov 27, 2012, 4:30 am
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As RadioGirl observed, the question presents a false dichotomy.
If such an ad absurdum argument could stand, I'd vote with 1965 - unquestionably.
Fortunately, however, such simplistic black-and-white thinking doesn't hold water. As is the case with any dilemma, it's helpful to change one or more variable(s), then reexamine the problem.
I vote for "09/10/2001 security plus reinforced cockpit doors plus refusal to cooperate".
~~ Irish
If such an ad absurdum argument could stand, I'd vote with 1965 - unquestionably.
Fortunately, however, such simplistic black-and-white thinking doesn't hold water. As is the case with any dilemma, it's helpful to change one or more variable(s), then reexamine the problem.
I vote for "09/10/2001 security plus reinforced cockpit doors plus refusal to cooperate".
~~ Irish
Nov 27, 2012, 4:40 am
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'Nuff said; close the thread.
