Passports now required for domestic travel??
Nov 25, 2012, 1:40 am
#61
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None of the above. 15 January 2013 is the deadline for states to turn in some paperwork, so far as I can tell. Nothing changes as far as ID acceptance until the end of 2014 for people under 50 years of age at that time.
Nov 25, 2012, 4:27 am
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In other words, if a state is compliant by 2013, then they have until 2014 (or 2017 for those over 50) to issue compliant IDs to everyone. If they aren't, then their IDs can theoretically be rejected effective immediately.
Here is the final rulemaking if you anyone wants to read it: http://www.ncsl.org/Portals/1/docume...IDFinalReg.pdf
Nov 26, 2012, 2:40 am
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The greater question of "why does a driver license have an address on the front" is likely a function of historical inertia. They've always had addresses on them so they continue to have addresses on them.
Nov 26, 2012, 3:42 am
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I'm not sure why you keep repeating this question, but an address doesn't have anything to do with identity, just residence. A passport and passport card (along with several other accepted forms of ID, such as GE and NEXUS cards) both lack addresses.
The greater question of "why does a driver license have an address on the front" is likely a function of historical inertia. They've always had addresses on them so they continue to have addresses on them.
The greater question of "why does a driver license have an address on the front" is likely a function of historical inertia. They've always had addresses on them so they continue to have addresses on them.
Nov 26, 2012, 6:58 am
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Because noone answered it last time.
And yet it is required for RealID compliant cards...
but an address doesn't have anything to do with identity, just residence. A passport and passport card (along with several other accepted forms of ID, such as GE and NEXUS cards) both lack addresses.
Nov 26, 2012, 7:14 am
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The State of Florida says it's Jan 1 2014 when the feds will stop accepting non-RealID drivers licenses.
http://www.flhsmv.gov/realid/
My license is not a RealID compliant license since it doesn't have the gold star. It expires in 2020. FL says I can't renew it until 18 months before the expiration date. Even folks from RealID compliant states like FL are going to be screwed because the state won't give us a RealID license even if we wanted one.
http://www.flhsmv.gov/realid/
My license is not a RealID compliant license since it doesn't have the gold star. It expires in 2020. FL says I can't renew it until 18 months before the expiration date. Even folks from RealID compliant states like FL are going to be screwed because the state won't give us a RealID license even if we wanted one.
Nov 26, 2012, 12:01 pm
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Nov 26, 2012, 1:50 pm
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The more proper question would be why the RealID-compliant driving licences (state ID cards) should have address and signature on them whilst RealID-compliant federal documents such as passport card or GE/Sentri do not? Logically, any federal identity document will always be RealID-compliant because it is issued by the federal government to satisfy its own security standards. Why should state IDs have stricter requirements?
On a side note, I am not an opponent of a national ID card because it tends to make my life easier with respect to proving my identity (from past life experience both inside the USA and abroad). The US government (particularly, USCIS) already has all my information. What would bother me is if my ID document from one jurisdiction would not be accepted by another jurisdiction - it is already happening (e.g., Arizona not accepting Washington non-Enhanced driving licences).
On a side note, I am not an opponent of a national ID card because it tends to make my life easier with respect to proving my identity (from past life experience both inside the USA and abroad). The US government (particularly, USCIS) already has all my information. What would bother me is if my ID document from one jurisdiction would not be accepted by another jurisdiction - it is already happening (e.g., Arizona not accepting Washington non-Enhanced driving licences).
Nov 26, 2012, 2:06 pm
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But in the case of REAL ID, I'm guessing it was just inertia. Every state currently includes home address on their ID cards, so the federal government requiring it doesn't really change anything.
Nov 26, 2012, 3:39 pm
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I love these threads where people say how impossible it is to get the stuff you need to get the ID.
I needed to show a passport or birth certificate, both of which I have (or one of several other primary documents)
I needed to show a secondary document, which since I was renewing my license, I used my current license, again something I already had. There were 15 other secondary choices
I needed to show my social security number, either with a card, or a W2 or 1099 issued within the last five years. Really, there are people out there who will be flying who can't produce either of those from the last five years if they currently don't have a social security card, something they can get for free by filling out a form?
I needed to verify my address by picking two things from a list of over a dozen items including postmarked mail I could mail to myself.
I think it took like five minutes to get all that stuff together, and another three to five minutes at renewal time for them to scan the envelopes and verify the SSN.
Most people can print out the list and collect the necessary documentation in a few minutes from stuff they already have.
The others can certainly get it without that much of a problem.
I needed to show a passport or birth certificate, both of which I have (or one of several other primary documents)
I needed to show a secondary document, which since I was renewing my license, I used my current license, again something I already had. There were 15 other secondary choices
I needed to show my social security number, either with a card, or a W2 or 1099 issued within the last five years. Really, there are people out there who will be flying who can't produce either of those from the last five years if they currently don't have a social security card, something they can get for free by filling out a form?
I needed to verify my address by picking two things from a list of over a dozen items including postmarked mail I could mail to myself.
I think it took like five minutes to get all that stuff together, and another three to five minutes at renewal time for them to scan the envelopes and verify the SSN.
Most people can print out the list and collect the necessary documentation in a few minutes from stuff they already have.
The others can certainly get it without that much of a problem.
Nov 26, 2012, 4:09 pm
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I love these threads where people say how impossible it is to get the stuff you need to get the ID.
I needed to show a passport or birth certificate, both of which I have (or one of several other primary documents)
I needed to show a secondary document, which since I was renewing my license, I used my current license, again something I already had. There were 15 other secondary choices
I needed to show my social security number, either with a card, or a W2 or 1099 issued within the last five years. Really, there are people out there who will be flying who can't produce either of those from the last five years if they currently don't have a social security card, something they can get for free by filling out a form?
I needed to verify my address by picking two things from a list of over a dozen items including postmarked mail I could mail to myself.
I think it took like five minutes to get all that stuff together, and another three to five minutes at renewal time for them to scan the envelopes and verify the SSN.
Most people can print out the list and collect the necessary documentation in a few minutes from stuff they already have.
The others can certainly get it without that much of a problem.
I needed to show a passport or birth certificate, both of which I have (or one of several other primary documents)
I needed to show a secondary document, which since I was renewing my license, I used my current license, again something I already had. There were 15 other secondary choices
I needed to show my social security number, either with a card, or a W2 or 1099 issued within the last five years. Really, there are people out there who will be flying who can't produce either of those from the last five years if they currently don't have a social security card, something they can get for free by filling out a form?
I needed to verify my address by picking two things from a list of over a dozen items including postmarked mail I could mail to myself.
I think it took like five minutes to get all that stuff together, and another three to five minutes at renewal time for them to scan the envelopes and verify the SSN.
Most people can print out the list and collect the necessary documentation in a few minutes from stuff they already have.
The others can certainly get it without that much of a problem.
Documentation now required under The REAL ID Act as proof of identity include a state-issued (not hospital) birth certificate, valid passport, naturalization document, or consular proof of birth abroad. All documents must be original or certified from the source. Non-U.S. residents must provide proof of status within the country.
For proof of a Social Security number, an original Social Security card, W-2 or 1099 form, or recent paycheck can be provided.
For proof of home address, two documents indicating the address, including a mortgage deed, utility bill, voter registration card, insurance card, W-2 or 1099 form, or bank statement can be provided.
For proof of legal name change, an original or certified copy of a marriage certificate (not church issued) or court order showing name change can be provided.
Without exception, all qualifying documents must be presented to renew or obtain a driver license or state identification card. Under limited circumstances, a temporary permit can be issued while gathering required documents.
Supporters of The REAL ID Act claim that the new documentation requirements add security to driver license and state identification holders as they will not be able to board an aircraft or enter federal buildings without a Real ID-compliant license or identification card starting in 2014.
Critics of The REAL ID Act claim the new law will weaken security of personal information by placing it in a national data base subject to access nationwide.
While The REAL ID Act of 2005 is currently the law in Florida and a dozen other states, opposition is building in Congress to repeal it. Although in the minority as approximately 37 states have prohibited implementation of the new law, compliance is now a must here in the Sunshine state.
For proof of a Social Security number, an original Social Security card, W-2 or 1099 form, or recent paycheck can be provided.
For proof of home address, two documents indicating the address, including a mortgage deed, utility bill, voter registration card, insurance card, W-2 or 1099 form, or bank statement can be provided.
For proof of legal name change, an original or certified copy of a marriage certificate (not church issued) or court order showing name change can be provided.
Without exception, all qualifying documents must be presented to renew or obtain a driver license or state identification card. Under limited circumstances, a temporary permit can be issued while gathering required documents.
Supporters of The REAL ID Act claim that the new documentation requirements add security to driver license and state identification holders as they will not be able to board an aircraft or enter federal buildings without a Real ID-compliant license or identification card starting in 2014.
Critics of The REAL ID Act claim the new law will weaken security of personal information by placing it in a national data base subject to access nationwide.
While The REAL ID Act of 2005 is currently the law in Florida and a dozen other states, opposition is building in Congress to repeal it. Although in the minority as approximately 37 states have prohibited implementation of the new law, compliance is now a must here in the Sunshine state.
Last edited by loops; Nov 26, 2012 at 6:05 pm Reason: oops... grammatical problem
Nov 26, 2012, 4:27 pm
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So when this is listed as a secondary ID for a real ID to renew a license, they are what, just making it up?
SECONDARY document list
Out of State US photo driver license
US Territory or Canadian photo driver license
Out of State US or Canadian issued photo learner permit
Connecticut issued non-driver identification card, driver license
or learner permit
(Your driver license or ID may be required to be surrendered)
I may be mistaken, but I'm almost certain that in the part I highlighted in Red you can in fact use a driver license as a secondary ID. Or an ID card, or a learner permit.
In Florida, you don't even need a secondary ID, just a primary one, so I'm not really sure why that is even part of the discussion.
Try again.