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Old Aug 22, 12, 6:57 pm   #1
 
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NJ Man Accused Of Sexually Abusing Sleeping Woman During UA Flight

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Old Aug 22, 12, 7:00 pm   #2
 
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The Article says he could face LIFE IN PRISON! Wouldn't, say, 5 years be enough? I'm not diminishing the seriousness of the crime, but LIFE IN PRISON? Murderers don't get that.
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Since this is a story about an occurrence on a United flight, per Welcome to Travel News: What should be posted here & what should be posted elsewhere? I'll send this to that forum while leaving a 30-day re-direct here for those who wish to follow.

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According to the article: "He’s been ordered held without bail as a possible flight risk."

Flight risk, indeed!
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Old Aug 22, 12, 8:32 pm   #5
 
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The Article says he could face LIFE IN PRISON! Wouldn't, say, 5 years be enough? I'm not diminishing the seriousness of the crime, but LIFE IN PRISON? Murderers don't get that.
That is a maximum sentense. Unlikely that the alledged scum will get the maximum, it being a first offense.
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Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!?

i dont even understand how anyone would do that to a stranger, in an enclosed space, and another person sitting right next to him? if i understand this story correctly, he had to be in a middle seat with a third person on his other armrest?

"The victim’s story was backed up by the passenger sitting on the other side of Aksal,"

so the third person just sat there and watched this happen? didnt call anyone over? maybe the third person was asleep, but if that were the case, they wouldnt be able to backup the vic story.

there has to be more to this... doesn't quite pass the smell test to me...
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Old Aug 22, 12, 8:56 pm   #7
 
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i dont even understand how anyone would do that to a stranger, in an enclosed space, and another person sitting right next to him? if i understand this story correctly, he had to be in a middle seat with a third person on his other armrest?

"The victim’s story was backed up by the passenger sitting on the other side of Aksal,"

so the third person just sat there and watched this happen? didnt call anyone over? maybe the third person was asleep, but if that were the case, they wouldnt be able to backup the vic story.

there has to be more to this... doesn't quite pass the smell test to me...
It could be that the person in the aisle seat mistakenly thought that the other two were together as a couple. Had they been, such behavior may still have been wrong and illegal but might have been more easily ignored by the person in the aisle seat. Likewise, he may have not noticed it until the woman woke up and screamed at the alledged criminal. At time of scream, the third person could have looked over and seen the hands before they were retracted from the woman's clothing.

I wouldn't say that this should fail your smell test, but of course there is more to the story which will come out of it is taken to trial. Unitil then, all is just speculation.
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The armrest was completely up for the duration of the period when the claimed in-flight sleaze was occurring? Did both passengers bordering the armrest consent to the armrest being raised?

The seats on these planes aren't generally so wide and passengers so slender as to easily enable moving an armrest completely up without disturbing the neighboring passenger. Then again if a person is under the influence of alcohol or some other drug or been exhausted in the days prior, who knows.

The aisle seat witness will be testifying in court too? It will be interesting to see if the reported molester's attorney tests that person's credibility too.

This alleged creep sounds like someone who would largely be suitable for TSA employment.
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According to the article: "He’s been ordered held without bail as a possible flight risk."

Flight risk, indeed!
Foreign passport eligibility, lack of reported steady employment, lack of substantial fixed property in the country and few if any immediate family in the US?
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The armrest was completely up for the duration of the period when the claimed in-flight sleaze was occurring? Did both passengers bordering the armrest consent to the armrest being raised?
Often, all seat rests are in the up position when boarding starts; it helps the boarding go a bit quicker. If the first person to sit is not a regular traveller, s/he may not lower the arm rest. If that's the case, sometimes the next person does not lower it either - for a variety of reasons.
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It could be that the person in the aisle seat mistakenly thought that the other two were together as a couple. Had they been, such behavior may still have been wrong and illegal but might have been more easily ignored by the person in the aisle seat. Likewise, he may have not noticed it until the woman woke up and screamed at the alledged criminal. At time of scream, the third person could have looked over and seen the hands before they were retracted from the woman's clothing.
Yeah. If I saw a couple engaging in such hanky panky on a darkened plane I wouldn't say anything.
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I like all the retarded comments in the comments section about foreigners although nothing in the article (or maybe I missed it ) suggests this guy is a foreigner or here on a visa. Possibly because he looks "foreign" or because of his name.
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According to the article: "He’s been ordered held without bail as a possible flight risk."

Flight risk, indeed!
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Foreign passport eligibility, lack of reported steady employment, lack of substantial fixed property in the country and few if any immediate family in the US?
I thought kale73 was suggesting a pun, not questioning the lack of bail.
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I like all the retarded comments in the comments section about foreigners although nothing in the article (or maybe I missed it ) suggests this guy is a foreigner or here on a visa. Possibly because he looks "foreign" or because of his name.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...US-flight.html

"Prosecutors said Askal, a Turkish national with U.S. citizenship, was sitting in the middle seat on United Airlines Flight 306 from Phoenix to Newark, New Jersey, on Monday night when he abused the woman, who was sitting in the window seat."
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Old Aug 23, 12, 11:09 am   #15
 
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"Prosecutors said Askal, a Turkish national with U.S. citizenship, was sitting in the middle seat on United Airlines Flight 306 from Phoenix to Newark, New Jersey, on Monday night when he abused the woman, who was sitting in the window seat."
Well if he's a US Citizen he's not a foreigner.
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