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Old Aug 9, 12, 6:56 am   #91
 
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I think it's more simple than that. A terrorist-wannabe could easily get a job himself with the TSA, rather than find a willing conspirator already in the TSA. The real danger is not in bribing employees, but that anyone can become an employee (and even if the TSA won't hire you [doubtful], the ground crew, restaurants, etc., employees are often unscreened or underscreened).

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I still disagree with you. Yes, this exact scenario would be how a national intelligence organization could accomplish this task. But not a terrorist group. Drug undergrounds are even more suspicious of people and sensitive to those who don't fit in than society in general. There isn't a shred of evidence that terrorist groups have ever had, or even come close to having, the sort of capabilities and training to do what you describe.
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Old Aug 9, 12, 8:24 am   #92
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Find knives on a person? Nope. One of the Mythbusters guys accidentally flew with a couple of saw blades in his pocket. TSA didn't notice.
12" razor blades, and they weren't in his pocket. They were in his laptop bag.

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Old Aug 9, 12, 8:27 am   #93
 
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I'm sorry but there is not a single reason you absolutely have to fly anywhere. If i was told i had to fly somewhere to give one of my kids a kidney then by all means... Short of that... I am 41 and have never stepped foot on a plane and i have no intentions on ever going into an airport or airplane. You all know this. If you can't sit back and think about it and understand that then you need to go back to school! If you choose to get on an airplane... Then deal with it and quit whining. You all sound like a bunch of spoiled little brats. Me me me! I want i want i want! It is seriously disgusting.
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Old Aug 9, 12, 8:31 am   #94
 
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You all are a bunch of "me" monsters!!!

I'm sorry but there is not a single reason you absolutely have to fly anywhere. If i was told i had to fly somewhere to give one of my kids a kidney then by all means... Short of that... I am 41 and have never stepped foot on a plane and i have no intentions on ever going into an airport or airplane. You all know this. If you can't sit back and think about it and understand that then you need to go back to school! If you choose to get on an airplane... Then deal with it and quit whining. You all sound like a bunch of spoiled little brats. Me me me! I want i want i want! It is seriously disgusting.
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Old Aug 9, 12, 8:34 am   #95
 
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Incest Victim Agrees and You Should Go To the Media

I was sexually abused and raped as a child by both men and women. This story is exactly why I do not fly. I don't wish to go through the naked radiation scanner, or to be groped and intimidated by authority figures. You should contact the major media outlets, as well as media like Democracy Now, and CNN's Nancy Grace and Jane-Velez Mitchell, and find a way to get your story on national news.

It might be empowering for your wife to tell her story and it would bring awareness to the general public. Start a campaign, take it to congress. Be vigilant. This has to stop. There are about 60 MILLION survivors of child sexual abuse in this country who will be affected by your story, and who would be prompted to take action.
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Old Aug 9, 12, 8:45 am   #96
 
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And not to go too far OMNI P/R here but I would also advise you to vote for Gary Johnson in the Presidential election. If you do so and are a life-long Republican, please send messages to the Romney campaign explaining the single issue that lost Romney your vote. If you vote for Johnson and are a life-long Democrat, please send messages to the White House explaining the single issue that lost Obama your vote.

Voters who refuse to stand up and buck the corrupt special-interest infested two party system (more scanners for Chertoff to sell to a Romney administration; more unionized government-employed thugs to be employed by an Obama administration) as it stands today are a big part of the problem.

The poster upthread that claimed that NO politician will take on TSA is wrong. While most won't, there are a few that will. If enough of us supported these politicians (even when they are in the opposite, or a third, party from our natural preference), change would be possible.
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I'm sorry but there is not a single reason you absolutely have to fly anywhere. If i was told i had to fly somewhere to give one of my kids a kidney then by all means... Short of that... I am 41 and have never stepped foot on a plane and i have no intentions on ever going into an airport or airplane. You all know this. If you can't sit back and think about it and understand that then you need to go back to school! If you choose to get on an airplane... Then deal with it and quit whining. You all sound like a bunch of spoiled little brats. Me me me! I want i want i want! It is seriously disgusting.
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Old Aug 9, 12, 9:24 am   #98
 
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I'm sorry but there is not a single reason you absolutely have to fly anywhere. If i was told i had to fly somewhere to give one of my kids a kidney then by all means... Short of that... I am 41 and have never stepped foot on a plane and i have no intentions on ever going into an airport or airplane. You all know this. If you can't sit back and think about it and understand that then you need to go back to school! If you choose to get on an airplane... Then deal with it and quit whining. You all sound like a bunch of spoiled little brats. Me me me! I want i want i want! It is seriously disgusting.

And sadly, you are not alone. Apathy and lack of knowledge and lack of critical thinking is so common amongst the American public when it comes to 'anything for safety'.

One way in which people broaden their horizons and open their minds is through travel.

(How do we 'all know this' when it is your second post on FT by the way?)
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Old Aug 9, 12, 9:40 am   #99
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That has not been my experience in various Italian airports.

Around the world at a large number of airport checkpoints, nobody has ever
- pulled down my underwear
- put their hands into my crotch
- lifted my skirt above the knees
- forced limbs to contort causing severe pain
- rubbed their hands along my bare upper thighs

That has only happened to me in the US, and occurred about 60% of the time I passed through a TSA checkpoint
No one, anywhere, has pulled down my underwear.

Yes, the top of their hands did touch my crotch, both in the US and Europe.

I do not wear skirts.

My limbs have never been forced to contort in any position.

I do not fly with bare upper thighs (believe me when I tell you that they would not be an appetizing view for most other passengers).
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Old Aug 9, 12, 9:45 am   #100
 
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Hang around for a while. You might even come up with something intelligent to add to the discussion.
Because insinuating that their post had nothing intelligent to add is a great way to get them to stick around...

The fact is he does have a point, no one is forcing people to travel by air.

Also like I said before air travel is pretty stressful for those not used to it, with or without the Free TSA gropings people are going to get overstressed and blow things out of proportions.

Am I the only one more disturbed by the casualness by which people use the Emergency Room? To me it should be reserved for those that have life threatening injuries, things like panic attacks or stress should be handled by physicians or specialists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergen...#United_States

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Many U.S. emergency departments are exceedingly busy. A survey of New York area doctors in February 2007 found that injuries and even deaths have been caused by excessive waits for hospital beds by ED patients.[6] A 2005 patient survey found an average ED wait time from 2.3 hours in Iowa to 5.0 hours in Arizona
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The emergency department conducts medical clearance rather than treats acute behavioral disorders. From the emergency department, patients with significant mental illness may be transferred to a psychiatric unit (in many cases involuntarily).
To me this means that it should have been: A pat down that ended my wife up in the psychiatric unit.

The Emergency room doesn't Treat acute behavioral disorders.

I fly 2-3 times a year and have encountered nothing very professional TSA agents, I have yet to be groped and have had no issues.

I'm not saying issues don't exist, but fewer people would fly if this was a more common occurrence.

Want to send a statement to the TSA and airlines? Hit them in their pocketbook, don't fly.
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Old Aug 9, 12, 10:04 am   #101
 
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After reading this story one would be led to believe that we no longer have any rule of law what soever in Amerika. There was no legal recourse for this woman or her husband other than being sexually assaulted by a government agent.

If you think it a little deeper, you realize that this is MUCH worse than anarchy. With no central monopoly on power (anarchy) this woman's husband could have protected his wife from being sexually assaulted by government goons. He would have been free to be armed, and could have used whatever force necessary to protect his wife. With an armed husband it is very unlikely the goon would have acted in this manner to begin with.

We have a government that instead of protecting rights, unbelievably protects and enables the criminals. It furthermore does everything in it's power to make the legal system inaccessible, and not to work in the interest of justice.

The next time the government propagandist try to demonize the concept of anarchy, think back about how this woman's rights would have been much more likely to be protected if there were not a monopoly on power. In fact it was that monopoly on power that CAUSED her so be sexually assaulted. Rethink the monopoly power of the state. Rethink the CIA demonized concept of anarchy.

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Old Aug 9, 12, 10:18 am   #102
 
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I am 41 and have never stepped foot on a plane and i have no intentions on ever going into an airport or airplane.
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Old Aug 9, 12, 10:27 am   #103
 
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So why are you here?
Well, to be fair, Skullyard isn't the only non-flying member of FT. I recall a poster who used to come to TS&S every now and again and tell us how they didn't fly and that they were somehow to superior to those who do as a result. I just don't know how Skullyard can say 'as you all know' when it was their very first post here on FT.
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Old Aug 9, 12, 10:29 am   #104
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I'm sorry but there is not a single reason you absolutely have to fly anywhere.
Frankly, I find it very difficult to visit my girlfriend in Milan without flying and a trip across the Mediterranean and the Atlantic to spend some time in my native land would take quite a while by boat.
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The Emergency room doesn't Treat acute behavioral disorders.
The above is more myth than reality.

Many ERs deal with massive behavioral disorders, as well they should.
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