First and foremost, why didn't the 'chase' driver (Ms.Sylvia Chacon) call the Police when the truck driver began acting erratically?
Second, why didn't anyone of the kids on the bus call the police? I find it very difficult to believe not a single one of them had a cell phone.
First and foremost, why didn't the 'chase' driver (Ms.Sylvia Chacon) call the Police when the truck driver began acting erratically?
Second, why didn't anyone of the kids on the bus call the police? I find it very difficult to believe not a single one of them had a cell phone.
I'm sure that when you are faced with an irate person with a badge the first thing you will is pull out your cell phone
Although it'd be cool to have the confrontation on video. Perhaps the school should teach the students about streaming video to the cloud.
I'm sure that when you are faced with an irate person with a badge the first thing you will is pull out your cell phone
Although it'd be cool to have the confrontation on video. Perhaps the school should teach the students about streaming video to the cloud.
A 'badge' can be purchased on-line or some shops for a few $. Hence a badge doesn't always convey 'LEO' ask the TSA who got in trouble for flashing his to pass/pull someone over or some of the many 'rent-a-cops' that get spanked for flashing them.
Badge was NOT shown till they both pulled over. As soon as the driver exhibited 'road Rage' someone should have called local LEO or Highway Patrol. Driver was also in a unmarked (presume personal vehicle). While LEO does use 'unmarked' vehicles they still have things that give them away as 'unmarked' Tinting, lights, plates, etc.
and yes if if they are irate and/or acting ill-rational I'm going to get audio and/or video of said behavior. Might get a window busted or phone smashed BUT streaming video and/or audio and a microSD card of said behavior is kind of damning.
tl:dr; Not all badges = LEO. LEO should have been called ASAP Bus driver should have drove to while lit/populated location(as we are all told to do IF we question the person pulling us over is legit)
First and foremost, why didn't the 'chase' driver (Ms.Sylvia Chacon) call the Police when the truck driver began acting erratically?
Second, why didn't anyone of the kids on the bus call the police? I find it very difficult to believe not a single one of them had a cell phone.
I don't find it unlikely. Things are happening quickly. By the time the 'chase' driver realizes what's going on, she's probably got two hands on the wheel keeping her vehicle under control. The kids? It unfolded quickly, they didn't realize what was going on, then they're trying to watch and understand what's going on.
The one most capable of making that call was the CBP 'officer', who was probably the one with the most experience and training in 'hot' situations.
We'd be having a very different conversation indeed if the bus driver had lost control and rolled the bus, something that could have very easily have happened.
I suspect we'd also be having a much different conversation if the CPB agent had been an ordinary citizen, not one purporting to act under color of law. There's no doubt in my mind that an ordinary citizen pulling a stunt like this would be in big trouble. But hey, he's CBP, and it's possible they were within 100 miles of a CBP checkpoint or the border, so ordinary Constitutional protections may not apply.
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Second, why didn't anyone of the kids on the bus call the police? I find it very difficult to believe not a single one of them had a cell phone.
I don't find it that hard to believe. A lot of schools these days ban phones --- or, at least, their use, which makes it kinda pointless to bring them in the first place. In that environment, a kid who had a cellphone might've been reluctant to use it, for fear of getting in trouble for having contraband. (Yes, it's a silly situation ... but schols are full of silly situations.)
I certainly wouldn't hold it against the entire CBP - too many bad apples in my own pre-retirement career in public education for me to point fingers at others - but I hope never to run into one so predisposed while crossing the border.
As to cell phone use, maybe they read the signs at Immigration saying they're not allowed.
Any mention of this CBP's employment history prior to CBP?
As a former senior CBP official has said, corruption amongst the DHS workforce ought to be a considered an area of concerned growth along with the incorporation of relatively young military vets into the workforce who may have PTSD-related issues.
While a loose cannon like this CBP employee is certainly not representative of the workforce, let's just say I have more faith in the CBP employees who have retired or are closer to retirement age than of the younger employees amongst them and also find this is yet another example of why arming CBP employees at US airports is overkill or will lead to it.
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While a loose cannon like this CBP employee is certainly not representative of the workforce, let's just say I have more faith in the CBP employees who have retired or are closer to retirement age than of the younger employees amongst them and also find this is yet another example of why arming CBP employees at US airports is overkill or will lead to it.
(bolding mine) It starts to become representative of the work force if management chooses to overlook his behavior.
I don't find it that hard to believe. A lot of schools these days ban phones --- or, at least, their use, which makes it kinda pointless to bring them in the first place. In that environment, a kid who had a cellphone might've been reluctant to use it, for fear of getting in trouble for having contraband. (Yes, it's a silly situation ... but schols are full of silly situations.)
Also, these were 7th graders, no?
Really, some 7th graders might think of calling someone if they have a phone, but I think most would not during an incident - they were not in a frame of mind of being on the alert, they were on the bus with team mates and coaches.
I totally agree with the people above who said that the bus driver should not have let this guy on the coach, but rather have called in police if he deemed it unsafe to keep driving with what must have seemed like a lunatic driver around!
Also, these were 7th graders, no?
Really, some 7th graders might think of calling someone if they have a phone, but I think most would not during an incident - they were not in a frame of mind of being on the alert, they were on the bus with team mates and coaches.
I totally agree with the people above who said that the bus driver should not have let this guy on the coach, but rather have called in police if he deemed it unsafe to keep driving with what must have seemed like a lunatic driver around!
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For all he knew, the CBP officer had a taser or a gun and was prepared to use it.
I don't find it that hard to believe. A lot of schools these days ban phones --- or, at least, their use, which makes it kinda pointless to bring them in the first place. In that environment, a kid who had a cellphone might've been reluctant to use it, for fear of getting in trouble for having contraband. (Yes, it's a silly situation ... but schols are full of silly situations.)
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I certainly wouldn't hold it against the entire CBP - too many bad apples in my own pre-retirement career in public education for me to point fingers at others - but I hope never to run into one so predisposed while crossing the border.
Just like another government agency that has been known to say, "The actions of a few individuals in no way reflect on the outstanding job our 50,000 security officers do every day to ensure the security of the traveling public."
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