Updated thoughts on the "Trusted" traveler program
Hi folks,
I am seeing more and more references out there that are leading me to believe that this will be a "front of line/shoes on/laptops in bags" enhancement only. I am not getting the impression that this will change anything with regards to actual body scanning. If that is indeed the case (just my guess at this point since they have to be *so* secretive about everything) then I am thinking that allowing the TSA to access my frequent flier travel history and allowing them to barcode scan my BP every time I go through the airport just isn't worth it. If that is the case I will decline to participate. Unfortunately I think this is a stepping stone to eventually make bar coding on ALL boarding passes so that everyone can be tracked. This is their way to start off slowly with a nice little "option" before they make it mandatory. By that time people will be "used to it" and there will be less resistance. Hello Mr. Frog, meet water pot. |
You don't need to guess.
You don't need to speculate. You don't need to "get impressions". They are not being secretive about it. Here it is, straight from the horse's Pistole's interview in Denver: http://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-N...raveler-pilot/ Noting the possibility of allowing trusted travelers to keep their shoes on and their laptop in a carry-on in airport security lanes, Pistole said the TSA's main objective is to provide a free program available to the country's top travelers in order to remove the hassle of travel. Q (Travel Weekly): Is there any analysis on how much time will be saved? A (JPIAI): We have done quite a bit on that, but I don't want to go into detail. Clearly, if someone doesn't have to take their shoes off, you could assign a specific time to that in terms the X-ray viewing and putting their shoes back on. We have some metrics with that, and with the laptop and briefcase. The idea is to expedite the physical screening because we have done the intelligence screening. |
While keeping my laptop in my backpack, and my shoes on my feet, I might save one minute. I'm not going to pay for that, unless I know that I won't be sent to the Nude-O-Scope.
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My question is whether or not the opt-out is possible in the expedited line. I agree that shoes on / laptop in the bag isn't much of an improvement at all. I use slip on shoes and have a top loading laptop case. The biggest delay is removing all metallic (and non-metallic) items.
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Originally Posted by TXagogo
(Post 16986168)
I am not getting the impression that this will change anything with regards to actual body scanning.
...allowing the TSA to access my frequent flier travel history and allowing them to barcode scan my BP every time I go through the airport just isn't worth it. If that is the case I will decline to participate. Unfortunately I think this is a stepping stone to eventually make bar coding on ALL boarding passes so that everyone can be tracked. This is their way to start off slowly with a nice little "option" before they make it mandatory. By that time people will be "used to it" and there will be less resistance. . Since I am in my early thirties, I have very little pre-9/11 air travel history; so the government probably already has most of my records. :( They already make the airline feed them a list of who is traveling on each flight; how much additional info would they gain by barcoding our BPs? The only question that occurred to me was whether AA will report flights outside of the TSA's domain to the TSA. For example, if I am in Europe and fly CDG-FRA using my AAdvantage number, will TSA now have access to that information? (I'm assuming they wouldn't have that info now... which is not necessarily a valid assumption.) |
Does Anybody Realize What's Going On Here?
Pissy is overtly creating class warfare. He's banking on the fact that many frequent flyers will gladly surrender their backgrounds and pay a fee to become a member of the "privileged class." He's dangling carrots in front of us like: "You don't have to take off your shoes." or "You can leave your laptop in your bag." and many will take the bait. He's created a whole class of people who now owe him. He keeps them hooked because everyone of the privileged class knows that Pissy can also take away these privileges at any time for any reason. So, the privileged class must obey and not commit even the slightest infraction. He also effectively removes a lot of people from the fight.
This is exactly a major reason why the Communists stayed in power as long as they did -- creating a privileged class who you control. Because of my job and my background investigations, I could instantly become part of this privileged class, as could a lot of you. But, I, for one, am going to stay in this fight until we get our Constitution back. |
Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 16991013)
Pissy is overtly creating class warfare. He's banking on the fact that many frequent flyers will gladly surrender their backgrounds and pay a fee to become a member of the "privileged class." He's dangling carrots in front of us like: "You don't have to take off your shoes." or "You can leave your laptop in your bag." and many will take the bait. He's created a whole class of people who now owe him. He keeps them hooked because everyone of the privileged class knows that Pissy can also take away these privileges at any time for any reason. So, the privileged class must obey and not commit even the slightest infraction. He also effectively removes a lot of people from the fight.
I will keep an open mind about the program, but if it's just shoes on/laptops in cases it's not worth it to me. I'll take my chances in the general lane and do a SDOO or real opt-out if it comes to that. |
Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 16991013)
Pissy is overtly creating class warfare. ...
Because of my job and my background investigations, I could instantly become part of this privileged class, as could a lot of you. But, I, for one, am going to stay in this fight until we get our Constitution back. I hope enough FFs stand with you. I worry, though, that the AFS mantra "If it keeps us safe, I don't care what they do." has become the FF's creed "If I don't get irradiated, I don't care what they know." I also hope that they (continue to?) exclude non-US citizens from the program, to the point where potential tourism/business travelers stay away in droves. :eek: |
Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 16991013)
Pissy is overtly creating class warfare. He's banking on the fact that many frequent flyers will gladly surrender their backgrounds and pay a fee to become a member of the "privileged class."
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And what of the wheelchairs and anomalies of a nature that most would consider private? The involuntary accessories of life that some of us travel with in addition to shoes, laptops and liquids?
Trusted or no? If not, how about a frequent full search program? After so many (pick a number) full body searches failing to turn up scary stuff :-:, the occasional random free roll through security? |
Noting the possibility of allowing trusted travelers to keep their shoes on and their laptop in a carry-on in airport security lanes, Pistole said the TSA's main objective is to provide a free program available to the country's top travelers in order to remove the hassle of travel. |
Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 16991013)
Pissy is overtly creating class warfare. He's banking on the fact that many frequent flyers will gladly surrender their backgrounds and pay a fee to become a member of the "privileged class." He's dangling carrots in front of us like: "You don't have to take off your shoes." or "You can leave your laptop in your bag." and many will take the bait. He's created a whole class of people who now owe him. He keeps them hooked because everyone of the privileged class knows that Pissy can also take away these privileges at any time for any reason. So, the privileged class must obey and not commit even the slightest infraction. He also effectively removes a lot of people from the fight.
This is exactly a major reason why the Communists stayed in power as long as they did -- creating a privileged class who you control. Because of my job and my background investigations, I could instantly become part of this privileged class, as could a lot of you. But, I, for one, am going to stay in this fight until we get our Constitution back. It's dangerous when they start dangling things like this and people are reacting like it's a carrot. It distracts from the real issue of why they do it at all. |
Originally Posted by RadioGirl
(Post 16991059)
+1e6
I hope enough FFs stand with you. I worry, though, that the AFS mantra "If it keeps us safe, I don't care what they do." has become the FF's creed "If I don't get irradiated, I don't care what they know." I also hope that they (continue to?) exclude non-US citizens from the program, to the point where potential tourism/business travelers stay away in droves. :eek: This is clearly another divide and conquer tactic. |
Originally Posted by loops
(Post 16991316)
And what of the wheelchairs and anomalies of a nature that most would consider private? ...
Originally Posted by javabytes
(Post 16991464)
+1000
It's dangerous when they start dangling things like this and people are reacting like it's a carrot. It distracts from the real issue of why they do it at all. People should be asking why scope and grope is even happening. Instead they want to know where to sign up, how to sign up, and what it entails. Epic FAIL, US citizens. Epic. :td: |
Originally Posted by barbell
(Post 16991893)
Terrorists, :rolleyes:bviously.
Bingo. People should be asking why scope and grope is even happening. Instead they want to know where to sign up, how to sign up, and what it entails. Epic FAIL, US citizens. Epic. :td: |
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