Pistole on Trusted-Traveller program

Old Aug 24, 2011, 11:34 am
  #1  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: BUR/LAX
Programs: UA 1K/2MM, HHonors Diamond, IHG Diamond Elite
Posts: 2,503
Pistole on Trusted-Traveller program

Pistole's interview in Denver: http://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-N...raveler-pilot/
wilp888 is offline  
Old Aug 24, 2011, 11:45 am
  #2  
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: twitter:TSAABUSEWATCH
Posts: 100
I get the feeling the only benefit the trusted traveler program will provide is not taking off shoes.

It sounds like they are still going run trusted travelers through the whole body X-Ray Chambers and its associated cancer risks.

I'll go further and speculate that opt-out won't be allowed in the Trusted traveler line either.
TsaAbuseWatch is offline  
Old Aug 24, 2011, 12:21 pm
  #3  
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Programs: AA 1MM
Posts: 3,182
I think the greatest insight is the head of TSA saying we don't have to answer BDO questions:

"Thousands of people have done this, and literally a very small number said they did not want to answer the questions, and that's fine."

Now, whether he's referring to it being "fine" in terms of their testing of the program or "fine" in terms of "we'll just let it go, nothing we can do about it" is a different matter...
JumboD is offline  
Old Aug 24, 2011, 12:37 pm
  #4  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: An NPR mind living in a Fox News world
Posts: 14,148
Originally Posted by JumboD
I think the greatest insight is the head of TSA saying we don't have to answer BDO questions:

"Thousands of people have done this, and literally a very small number said they did not want to answer the questions, and that's fine."

Now, whether he's referring to it being "fine" in terms of their testing of the program or "fine" in terms of "we'll just let it go, nothing we can do about it" is a different matter...
So, I guess he counts someone telling a SPOTNik to shove their question up sideways as "answering the question."
FliesWay2Much is offline  
Old Aug 24, 2011, 1:07 pm
  #5  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: BOS and vicinity
Programs: Former UA 1P
Posts: 3,723
Originally Posted by Pistole
We have had over 5.5 million [sic] people travel since Richard Reid, the shoe bomber, and there have been no shoe bombs because we have people take their shoes off.
Interesting that he totally misses the point that there might have been no shoe bombs even if they didn't do the 100% shoe carnival. Or that it was almost 5 years after the shoe bomber that they went to 100% shoes off, and there were no shoe bombs during that period.

This guy is an idiot. I also wonder if the air-traveler count misstep was a transcription error or if Pistole actually said it. If he actually believes there have been only 5.5 million air travelers since Dec 2001, it would explain a lot.


studentff is offline  
Old Aug 24, 2011, 1:14 pm
  #6  
Original Member
 
Join Date: May 1998
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Posts: 6,220
Of course, pretty much the rest of the world doesn't require you to remove your shoes (or in many cases even prohibit liquids) and they haven't had any shoe bombs (or liquid bombs) either.

Clearly not taking off your shoes is much more effective at preventing shoe bombs than taking them off is.
KenHamer is offline  
Old Aug 24, 2011, 1:18 pm
  #7  
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 46
"We have had over 5.5 million people travel since Richard Reid, the shoe bomber, and there have been no shoe bombs because we have people take their shoes off."

The fact that we have not had any more shoe bombers is not due to the fact we have to take off our shoes, its due to the fact that nobody has attempted to blow up a plane. His inability to think logically or rationally should preclude him from being in this position.

"Last year a travel association did a survey of travel complaints, and the number one complaint was the high cost of tickets fortunately, it wasn't a security issue. The second was the hassle of taking your shoes off. It wasn't body scans. It wasn't pat-downs. It was taking your shoes off and the hassle of it."

Again, more faulty logic and manipulating facts to serve his needs. When was the survey taken, pre or post MASS PUBLICITY about the molestations?

"There is a recent study that was done that validated the [ethics] of behavior detection"

By whom was the study conducted? What questions were asked? When was the study conducted?

I would love a chance to interview John Pistole. I'm sick of all these softball questions. This man and his cronies in the Senate have NEVER been made to account for their actions.
ladammed is offline  
Old Aug 24, 2011, 1:38 pm
  #8  
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 1,444
Originally Posted by studentff
Interesting that he totally misses the point that there might have been no shoe bombs even if they didn't do the 100% shoe carnival. Or that it was almost 5 years after the shoe bomber that they went to 100% shoes off, and there were no shoe bombs during that period.
There is no 100% shoes off still today. Every day, thousands of people fly over the US without taking off their shoes. Many countries allow you to board to the US without doing so. Also, flights from Canada to Latin America don't require shoe removal, but fly in US airspace.
BubbaLoop is offline  
Old Aug 24, 2011, 2:45 pm
  #9  
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: California. USA
Posts: 1,404
Almost every time I do travel I have encounted enoyed TSO workers.
Why?

Cause I have only tiny shoes on and no socks?!

I have been told over and over "is that the only thing you have on your feet".

And then they look really pissed off.

Like they want me to have more things on so they can hassle me.
tanja is offline  
Old Aug 24, 2011, 3:22 pm
  #10  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Northeast Kansas | Colorado Native
Programs: Amex Gold/Plat, UA *G, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott LT Gold, NEXUS, TSA Disparager Unobtanium
Posts: 21,551
Originally Posted by JumboD
I think the greatest insight is the head of TSA saying we don't have to answer BDO questions:

"Thousands of people have done this, and literally a very small number said they did not want to answer the questions, and that's fine."

Now, whether he's referring to it being "fine" in terms of their testing of the program or "fine" in terms of "we'll just let it go, nothing we can do about it" is a different matter...
I guess I'll print out of a copy of his interview to shove into their face, if they try to ask me any questions. TSAs job is to make sure I am not carrying WEI, not find out who I was meeting with, etc..
FriendlySkies is offline  
Old Aug 24, 2011, 3:37 pm
  #11  
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: where the chile is hot
Programs: AA,RR,NW,Delta ,UA,CO
Posts: 41,028
Originally Posted by FriendlySkies
I guess I'll print out of a copy of his interview to shove into their face, if they try to ask me any questions. TSAs job is to make sure I am not carrying WEI, not find out who I was meeting with, etc..
He says pax don't have to answer questions. No problem.

However, if he were not trying to mislead the public, he would have added that not answering questions will have consequences - the rigorous secondary, which, IIRC, starts with...BDOs asking questions.
chollie is offline  
Old Aug 24, 2011, 3:46 pm
  #12  
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: FLL - Nice and Warm
Programs: TSA Disparager Gold
Posts: 1,025
Went through BOS yesterday and noticed that if you "volunteer" to go through the cancer boxes, you don't have to remove your shoes.

Of course, I "chose" the WTMD line and had to take off my shoes. Nobody played 20 questions with me or tried to send me to the NOS.

Terminal C - JetBlue.

Is this something new?
Wimpie is offline  
Old Aug 24, 2011, 3:49 pm
  #13  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Northeast Kansas | Colorado Native
Programs: Amex Gold/Plat, UA *G, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott LT Gold, NEXUS, TSA Disparager Unobtanium
Posts: 21,551
Originally Posted by Wimpie
Went through BOS yesterday and noticed that if you "volunteer" to go through the cancer boxes, you don't have to remove your shoes.

Of course, I "chose" the WTMD line and had to take off my shoes. Nobody played 20 questions with me or tried to send me to the NOS.

Terminal C - JetBlue.

Is this something new?


Sounds like they're trying to entice people to use the cancer box. This also shows us that we could all keep our shoes on, rather than some on and others off..

It may be related to this page:

http://www.tsa.gov/what_we_do/expedited_screening.shtm

FriendlySkies is offline  
Old Aug 24, 2011, 4:11 pm
  #14  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Marriott or Hilton hot tub with a big drink <glub> Beverage: To-Go Bag DYKWIA: SSSS /rolleyes ☈ Date Night: Costco
Programs: Sea Shell Lounge Platinum, TSA Pre✓ Refusnik Diamond, PWP Gold, FT subset of the subset
Posts: 12,508
Oh, noes! A roadmap for the tewwowists! Haven't we been lectured to by security professionals that bad guys use children as mules? Nobody should have to take their shoes off.
N965VJ is offline  
Old Aug 24, 2011, 5:02 pm
  #15  
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: DCA / WAS
Programs: DL 2+ million/PM, YX, Marriott Plt, *wood gold, HHonors, CO Plt, UA, AA EXP, WN, AGR
Posts: 9,388
Originally Posted by FriendlySkies


Sounds like they're trying to entice people to use the cancer box. This also shows us that we could all keep our shoes on, rather than some on and others off..
This would be nothing new.
Global_Hi_Flyer is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Manage Preferences - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.