Pilots are bypassing ORD security, as TSA & Union forget all about EgyptAir 990
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Pilots are bypassing ORD security, as TSA & Union forget all about EgyptAir 990
The Chicago Tribune has an August 10, 2011 article posted describing how pilots no longer are subject to security at O'Hare (ORD) Airport. Here's the link:
Chicago Tribune: Pilots flying through security
Here is a short quote of the article:
Hmmm, if the laptop computer shows your picture on it, you get to take whatever you want around the checkpoint... gee, what could possibly go wrong?
Divided and conquered...
Chicago Tribune: Pilots flying through security
Here is a short quote of the article:
TSA officials use laptop computers to verify the identification of pilots and their employment status by checking multiple photo IDs and real-time airline data.
Hope they figure out a real good way to secure that laptop computer, else a TSO might ebay it... another short quote:The pilots then go through a crew lane at each checkpoint without undergoing body-scan imaging, walking through metal detectors, submitting to pat-downs or removing their shoes or jackets, officials said. Their carry-on bags are not searched either.
Hmmm, if the laptop computer shows your picture on it, you get to take whatever you want around the checkpoint... gee, what could possibly go wrong?
"It was a very pleasurable experience. I didn't have to disrobe,'' said Sean Cassidy, a captain at Alaska Airlines who is also first vice president of the pilots union. "And the process helps the TSA redefine its focus on finding potential threats among passengers.''
Divided and conquered...
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The Chicago Tribune has an August 10, 2011 article posted describing how pilots no longer are subject to security at O'Hare (ORD) Airport. Here's the link:
Chicago Tribune: Pilots flying through security
Here is a short quote of the article:
Hmmm, if the laptop computer shows your picture on it, you get to take whatever you want around the checkpoint... gee, what could possibly go wrong?
Divided and conquered...
Chicago Tribune: Pilots flying through security
Here is a short quote of the article:
TSA officials use laptop computers to verify the identification of pilots and their employment status by checking multiple photo IDs and real-time airline data.
Hope they figure out a real good way to secure that laptop computer, else a TSO might ebay it... another short quote:The pilots then go through a crew lane at each checkpoint without undergoing body-scan imaging, walking through metal detectors, submitting to pat-downs or removing their shoes or jackets, officials said. Their carry-on bags are not searched either.
Hmmm, if the laptop computer shows your picture on it, you get to take whatever you want around the checkpoint... gee, what could possibly go wrong?
"It was a very pleasurable experience. I didn't have to disrobe,'' said Sean Cassidy, a captain at Alaska Airlines who is also first vice president of the pilots union. "And the process helps the TSA redefine its focus on finding potential threats among passengers.''
Divided and conquered...
No Security Hole with this practice.
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Loss of the computer is no big deal if it is set up properly. The data is not on the laptop, the laptop is simply a tool to access the database which should be on a secure server somewhere far far away. Knowing how inept TSA is at everything else, it is possible the username is "TSA" and password is "password" to get into the database - then you have a problem.
Take whatever you want? Just like cleaners, caterers and hundreds of other workers that pass in and out of the secure area daily with whatever they like.
Egyptair 990 was driven into the ocean by the pilot. He didn't need any prohibited items, which is exactly why making pilots take their shoes off all these years has been a pointless waste of resources.
Take whatever you want? Just like cleaners, caterers and hundreds of other workers that pass in and out of the secure area daily with whatever they like.
Egyptair 990 was driven into the ocean by the pilot. He didn't need any prohibited items, which is exactly why making pilots take their shoes off all these years has been a pointless waste of resources.
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- a pilot's child or spouse is kidnapped and he's forced to carry a sealed envelope through security, no questions asked
- a pilot is part of a plot, but to keep his role from being revealed, so they can make repeated use of him, he carries things through security and gives them to another bad guy
I'm not taking sides in this, merely pointing out that not screening pilots because they have the ability to crash the plane isn't foolproof.
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That's absolutely true. And I mean no disrespect to pilots by insisting they might be involved in any disastrous plot. However, consider two possible scenarios:
- a pilot's child or spouse is kidnapped and he's forced to carry a sealed envelope through security, no questions asked
- a pilot is part of a plot, but to keep his role from being revealed, so they can make repeated use of him, he carries things through security and gives them to another bad guy
I'm not taking sides in this, merely pointing out that not screening pilots because they have the ability to crash the plane isn't foolproof.
- a pilot's child or spouse is kidnapped and he's forced to carry a sealed envelope through security, no questions asked
- a pilot is part of a plot, but to keep his role from being revealed, so they can make repeated use of him, he carries things through security and gives them to another bad guy
I'm not taking sides in this, merely pointing out that not screening pilots because they have the ability to crash the plane isn't foolproof.
1) An inability of the "secured" business to function, and/or
2) Nature provides a better fool
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You have hit on the exact point. TSA willingly allows huge holes in security to exist while focusing on only one specific group - passengers. In their attempt to make it impossible for a passenger to get anything through they appear more than willing to ignore all other threats.
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Airline Employees!
IF airline employees are allowed access to the secure ramp area of any airport they work at without being screened then ALL uniformed properly id'd airline employees should have access without being screened.
ALL have been photographed, fingerprinted, and had a background check by law enforcement. @:-)
I mean at a major airport like LAX there are Thousands walking the field that simply walked on without screening so I
can't get excited IF uniformed Pilots & Flt. Attendents do the same. ^
ALL have been photographed, fingerprinted, and had a background check by law enforcement. @:-)
I mean at a major airport like LAX there are Thousands walking the field that simply walked on without screening so I
can't get excited IF uniformed Pilots & Flt. Attendents do the same. ^
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That's absolutely true. And I mean no disrespect to pilots by insisting they might be involved in any disastrous plot. However, consider two possible scenarios:
- a pilot's child or spouse is kidnapped and he's forced to carry a sealed envelope through security, no questions asked
- a pilot is part of a plot, but to keep his role from being revealed, so they can make repeated use of him, he carries things through security and gives them to another bad guy
I'm not taking sides in this, merely pointing out that not screening pilots because they have the ability to crash the plane isn't foolproof.
- a pilot's child or spouse is kidnapped and he's forced to carry a sealed envelope through security, no questions asked
- a pilot is part of a plot, but to keep his role from being revealed, so they can make repeated use of him, he carries things through security and gives them to another bad guy
I'm not taking sides in this, merely pointing out that not screening pilots because they have the ability to crash the plane isn't foolproof.
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IF airline employees are allowed access to the secure ramp area of any airport they work at without being screened then ALL uniformed properly id'd airline employees should have access without being screened.
ALL have been photographed, fingerprinted, and had a background check by law enforcement. @:-)
ALL have been photographed, fingerprinted, and had a background check by law enforcement. @:-)
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To answer your point, go back to the mid 1990's and ask people how likely it was that the last few pages of a Tom Clancy book would actually happen.
I'm not suggesting that they should act on every bizarre and extreme idea. Do we need radiation detectors at the airport in case someone is involved with a nuclear bomb plot? Should we swab hands for traces of cyanide in case someone plans to poison the FA's coffee?
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However, consider two possible scenarios:
- a pilot's child or spouse is kidnapped and he's forced to carry a sealed envelope through security, no questions asked
- a pilot is part of a plot, but to keep his role from being revealed, so they can make repeated use of him, he carries things through security and gives them to another bad guy
- a pilot's child or spouse is kidnapped and he's forced to carry a sealed envelope through security, no questions asked
- a pilot is part of a plot, but to keep his role from being revealed, so they can make repeated use of him, he carries things through security and gives them to another bad guy
Some TSO will try to argue that this can't happen because the TSOs are comparing the badges to the person, but that is hardly a difficult problem to get around.
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Sorry folks, the only viable scenarios have been fleshed out by the TSA and they are 1) liquid passenger suicide bomber, 2) underwear passenger suicide bomber, and 3) gun/knife/lighter/screwdriver passenger suicide non-bomber. Nothing else could possibly happen.
All said suicidal actors will have fake ID, of course.
All said suicidal actors will have fake ID, of course.
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Sorry folks, the only viable scenarios have been fleshed out by the TSA and they are 1) liquid passenger suicide bomber, 2) underwear passenger suicide bomber, and 3) gun/knife/lighter/screwdriver passenger suicide non-bomber. Nothing else could possibly happen.
All said suicidal actors will have fake ID, of course.
All said suicidal actors will have fake ID, of course.