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Old Jul 18, 2011, 1:39 pm
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"New tool for police is good with faces"

Wait until the TSA gets hold of this handy device:

Sheriff’s departments across Massachusetts are using facial recognition technology to build a database of every suspect they book, an electronic lineup that local police could soon tap remotely with a handheld device attached to a smartphone...

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...That futuristic capability is enticing law enforcement authorities but worrying privacy rights lawyers who say that technology is outpacing policy that would protect privacy.

A number of questions are unresolved, such as how long the images of suspects will be stored, whether they will be shared with the FBI, and what happens to the images of people who are cleared of charges.

...“There’s simply no good reason, in our view, to create detailed dossiers on every American resident,’’ said Kade Crockford of the American Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts. “And increasingly it appears as if all of these surveillance programs and technological programs are doing just that. We want to make sure there are proper protections around these technologies, so they’re not abused.’’


http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...pped_remotely/
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Old Jul 18, 2011, 4:03 pm
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After frantic calls and a hearing with Registry officials, Gass learned the problem: An antiterrorism computerized facial recognition system that scans a database of millions of state driver’s license images had picked his as a possible fraud.
So there is some (I assume federal) anti-terrorism program that compares pictures of terrorists with state driver's license photos... then the state automatically revokes your driver's license and send you a 'cease and desist' letter?!?

If they really think you're a terrorist, wouldn't they want to send, oh, I dunno, maybe the FBI to your house? Instead of tipping you off with a letter?

Charlie: "Hey, when our database identifies a potential terrorist, what should we do?"
Sam: "Well, we certainly don't want them driving on our streets! Let's revoke their license and send them a nasty letter."
Charlie: "Wow Sam, you have the best ideas! I guess that's the reason they pay you the big bucks!"

Words cannot describe the stupidity of whoever implemented this system.

And there has to be some sort of due process issue here. I wonder if EPIC or the ACLU will tackle this?
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Old Jul 18, 2011, 6:45 pm
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Oh boy, one more expensive piece of technology to screw up our lives...

A fraud prevention system erroneously revoked his license, and now he’s suing for his hardship...

John H. Gass hadn’t had a traffic ticket in years, so the Natick resident was surprised this spring when he received a letter from the Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles informing him to cease driving because his license had been revoked.

“I was shocked,’’ Gass said in a recent interview. “As far as I was concerned, I had done nothing wrong.’’
Ah, nothing quite as fun as the state doing the old Tuttle / Buttle mix-up...
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Old Jul 18, 2011, 6:46 pm
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You walk into a facility like an airport, casino, whatever, there's no asking if you're picture can be taken. It's going to be taken. Anyplace that you know has surveillance cameras, you have to assume your face is going to end up on one of them.
Unless you're a citizen lawfully taking a picture of a TSA rub down. Then it's strictly forbidden.
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Old Jul 18, 2011, 6:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Pesky Monkey
Unless you're a citizen lawfully taking a picture of a TSA rub down. Then it's strictly forbidden.
Since when?
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Old Jul 18, 2011, 7:25 pm
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Since when?
since:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...ody-parts.html

and

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...ested-mia.html

and

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...ger-cabin.html

and

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...hased-tso.html

Search around for more. Please understand that my post was sarcastic but based on many of our experiences with the TSA and photography.
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Old Jul 18, 2011, 7:51 pm
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Originally Posted by VegasCableGuy
Ah, nothing quite as fun as the state doing the old Tuttle / Buttle mix-up...
Not so much fun when the burden is on the victim to waste time and money dealing with a government bureaucracy predisposed to assume everyone is guilty anyway.
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Old Jul 18, 2011, 8:01 pm
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facial farce

two weeks ago I had a passport photo taken. the tech told me not to smile as the state dept said it messes up the facial recognition program.

KEEP SMILING EVERY ONE
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Old Aug 13, 2014, 4:27 pm
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Bumping up a thread on the topic instead of starting a new thread on the topic.

Originally Posted by DIFIN
two weeks ago I had a passport photo taken. the tech told me not to smile as the state dept said it messes up the facial recognition program.
Indeed.

Smiling messes up the FRT program searches, and most countries seem to have an anti-smile policy for passport photos (even as it isn't always applicable or enforced in some such countries).

The DSS at the State Department has a history of using facial recondition technology to identify and weed out fraudulent passport/visa applications and fraudulent passport/visa holders/users.

The USG also has a history of running a dragnet using all the retained current passports' photos to run a search for some wanted criminals.

Here is an example:

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2014...ammer-captured
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Old Aug 13, 2014, 4:40 pm
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Originally Posted by Pesky Monkey
since:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...ody-parts.html

and

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...ested-mia.html

and

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...ger-cabin.html

and

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...hased-tso.html

Search around for more. Please understand that my post was sarcastic but based on many of our experiences with the TSA and photography.
Just because some posters have experienced being told photographing a checkpoint is not permitted does not make it so. The TSA specifically states it is permitted. Random experiences to the contrary does not change that.
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Old Aug 13, 2014, 6:03 pm
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The TSA specifically states it is permitted
With some restrictions, i.e., photos of TSA equipment and devices, AFAIK.
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Old Aug 13, 2014, 7:46 pm
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The FBI is adding driver's license photos to its Next Generation Identification program. The FBI wants to add iris scans, voice prints, and more.

Texas is asking for a complete set of fingerprints (all 10) to get a driver's license. They say it is for fraud prevention, but you only need 1 print for that (and that appears to be what the state legislature told the driver's license agency when the agency tried to implement this a few years ago). I am sure the fingerprints will be fed to the FBI, too. It is quite nauseating to think that innocent drivers' fingerprints will be added to the databases against which prints found at crime scenes are run. How secure are these databases anyway? It would be disastrous if such a database is hacked or compromised by an FBI insider.

The new license plates in Texas are also designed to maximize the chance that license plate scanners will read them correctly. This is also nauseating.
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Old Aug 14, 2014, 7:24 pm
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Texas is asking for a complete set of fingerprints (all 10) to get a driver's license.
Texas is also requiring a set of fingerprints for all professional engineers to renew their license. We were told that they would be shared with the FBI. And, we had to pay, IIRC, about $46 for the process (to a national contractor).
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 8:35 am
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Texas is also requiring a set of fingerprints for all professional engineers to renew their license. We were told that they would be shared with the FBI. And, we had to pay, IIRC, about $46 for the process (to a national contractor).
Wow. That is disgusting.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 11:19 am
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Some airports in Europe and Asia have had FRT running at or around passport control checkpoints even where there is neither general public indication of such nor any request by passport control to take a photo of the passenger.

Camera/video feeds in one country are sometimes swiped or otherwise accessed by some other country/countries and used for FRT in a different country than where the camera/video operates.
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