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This thread--a continuation of previous discussions through May 2015 and December 2016--focuses on general Chase policies & practices for new applications. For information on specific Chase cards and their bonuses/terms/benefits, see the following threads and their associated wikis: Table of Contents
  1. Does Chase have a limit on the number or frequency of applications like Citi's 8/65 rule?

  2. What's this I hear about Chase denying applications to people who have recently opened a lot of credit cards?

  3. Does the 5/24 rule apply to applications for all Chase cards?

  4. How does Chase calculate the number of an applicant's new cards for purposes of the 5/24 rule?

  5. How does Chase calculate the relevant 24-month period? By calendar months? By exact days?

  6. Can I get around the 5/24 policy by closing cards I've opened in the past 24 months?

  7. Is there any way around the 5/24 policy (targeted mailers, pre-approvals, Chase Private Client status)?

  8. Can I apply for a specific Chase card and earn the bonus again after doing so previously?

  9. I'm an authorized user for a card issued to my spouse/parent. Does that prevent me from signing up for the same card and earning a bonus?

  10. I already have several Chase cards with a substantial aggregate line of credit. Will it improve my odds if I close an existing account (or lower its credit line) before applying for another?

  11. I wasn't auto-approved. Should I call in?

  12. How can I determine the deadline for meeting the spend requirement to earn the signup bonus?

  13. Once I meet the card's spend requirement, how soon will I receive my signup bonus points?

  14. Should I downgrade or cancel my existing cards before applying?

  15. Useful Chase telephone numbers

Does Chase have a limit on the number or frequency of applications like Citi's 8/65 rule?
Chase does not have a known limit. However, several reports (for example) indicate that Chase is highly sensitive to multiple applications within a short time period, and that the second (or subsequent) applications run a substantial risk of being denied. In many cases, this is likely related to Chase's practice of allocating a large credit line (up to an applicant's personal maximum) when approving a new card such as the first application in a series. (See also the discussion below concerning aggregate Chase credit lines.)

What's this I hear about Chase denying applications to people who have recently opened a lot of credit cards?
Starting in May 2015, Chase began denying applications for its own personal cards (e.g., Sapphire Preferred, Freedom, Slate & Freedom Unlimited) if the applicant's credit report shows that she or he opened 5 or more credit cards with any card issuer in the prior 24 months ("the 5/24 rule").

For a few days in early September 2016, Chase included explicit language ("You will not be approved for this card if you have opened 5 or more bank cards in the past 24 months") on the application page for the Sapphire Reserve card--and then promptly removed it. The absence of this language on landing/application pages for the CSR or any other Chase card is not a reliable indicator of whether the 5/24 policy applies.

See the next section for co-branded cards exempt from the 5/24 policy, and the later section discussing potential ways around 5/24.

Does the 5/24 rule apply to applications for all Chase cards?
Previously the rule did not apply to applications for the Ink Plus business card or to co-branded cards such as United, Hyatt, IHG, etc. However, on May 22, 2016 Chase extended its 5/24 rule to cover Ink business cards and some co-branded cards. (Note that there were premature reports that Chase Ink Plus would be made subject to the rule in March 2016 (which did not happen), and that all co-branded cards would follow in April 2016 (also did not happen).)

Although we had numerous reports of applications prior to May 22 being denied for a United/Hyatt/IHG/WN card by a CSR citing the 5/24 rule, the available evidence strongly suggested that those applicants had other serious issues--multiple Chase applications in a short period; large existing Chase credit line--and that overzealous CSRs gratuitously (and erroneously) invoked the 5/24 rule in the past as an additional supposed justification for the denial. Thus, it is difficult to separate such false positives from any change in Chase policy.

Instead, the most useful data points are those where an applicant is approved for a Chase card despite being over 5/24. Since May 22, 2016, we have such reports for these co-branded cards (in order from oldest to newest for each card):
For a longer list of cards apparently not subject to 5/24, check this link:
In November 2018, Chase seems to have possibly expanded 5/24 to more cards, possibly including some mentioned above. See this link:
Please follow discussion in the thread for current updates.

How does Chase calculate the number of an applicant's new cards for purposes of the 5/24 rule?
The 24-month count includes personal cards opened at other banks, and even cards on which the applicant is only an authorized user and not the primary cardholder. Chase has been extremely inflexible with this policy, with agents stating that there is nothing they can do to circumvent this restriction. However, in some cases Chase may reconsider a denial if the applicant has <5 new cards excluding cards on which s/he is an authorized user. You may need to escalate to the next level of customer service agent, as many front-line agents seem to be unable or unwilling to remove the authorized user accounts from the count.

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How does Chase calculate the relevant 24-month period? By calendar months? By exact days?
In February 2017, a FTer reported a successful application a day or two after dropping from 5/24 to 4/24. However, because Chase sometimes approves applicants who are at 5/24 exactly (see above), this data point does not conclusively prove that Chase drops cards from its calculation on the exact 24-month anniversary of the previous bonus.

Can I get around the 5/24 policy by closing cards I've opened in the past 24 months?
No. Chase uses the information from your credit report, and closing an account doesn't make it disappear.

Is there any way around the 5/24 policy (targeted mailers, pre-approvals, Chase Private Client status)?
As to targeted mailers, we have insufficient anecdotal evidence to reach any reliable conclusions. (Reports suggesting no exemption from 5/24 here and here.)

There have been reports of people with more than 5 cards opened in the last 24 months being successful if they are already pre-approved for the card in question. To find out if you are pre-approved, you can call or go into a branch to ask. Success stories appear to be connected to Chase Private Client (CPC) status and the rollout of the Chase Sapphire Reserve card. In-branch pre-approvals (showing a green screen on the banker's computer) result in automatic approvals. Some (but not all) CPC clients had success in recon calls[[I]citation needed].

Can I apply for a specific Chase card and earn the bonus again after doing so previously?
It depends. A Chase card may be "churned" when an entirely new version becomes available. For example, business cards are distinct from personal/consumer cards. Note that simple variations among bonus offers do not amount to new versions/products for purposes of this rule.

Beginning in 2014, Chase began including explicit language in most of its offers, such as the following:
This new cardmember bonus offer is not available to either (i) current cardmembers of this consumer credit card, or (ii) previous cardmembers of this consumer credit card who received a new cardmember bonus for this consumer credit card within the last 24 months.
Effective August 2018, Chase imposed stringent additional restrictions on receiving the signup bonus for any version of the Sapphire card. See Sapphire (CSR & CSP) 48 months between bonuses, August 2018 and the master threads for each card (listed above) for details and discussion.

There are four key considerations in determining whether you can churn a given card:
  • The 5/24 policy discussed in detail above.
  • The 24-month bonus waiting period--in the case of Sapphire cards, the collective 48-month period--is measured not from the date of your previous application (or approval date, if different), but instead from the date you received the signup-related bonus on the previous card, which may be 3-4 months later than the approval date. The same rule applies regardless of the type of signup bonus received (points, miles, or free-night certs); anniversary benefits unrelated to spending requirements, such as annual IHG & Marriott certs, do not count as signup bonuses.
  • If you still have your old card of the same type, you're ineligible.
  • Chase's policy does not indicate whether there is also a minimum waiting period between cancellation and reapplication, and there is not yet sufficient anecdotal evidence from FTers to draw firm conclusions. At a minimum, a prudent churner will wait at least a week or two after cancellation before reapplying so that all of Chase's systems fully reflect that closure. (See first bullet point above.) At least one FTer has reported re-applying successfully 14 days after canceling the previous card.
Finally, note that if you reapply too soon, Chase may still issue you the new card. (This differs from some other card issuers, which may deny such applications outright.) In this case, Chase typically notifies you by letter within a month or two after approval that, as a previous cardholder, you will not receive the bonus a second time.

I'm an authorized user for a card issued to my spouse/parent. Does that prevent me from signing up for the same card and earning a bonus?
No. Being an additional user on someone else's account poses no bar to applying for that same card & bonus, except insofar as such cards may count toward the 5/24 rule (as discussed above).

I already have several Chase cards with a substantial aggregate line of credit. Will it improve my odds if I close an existing account (or lower its credit line) before applying for another?
Yes.

In the past, the conventional wisdom among FTers was that you were more likely to hurt your chances by closing an account or reducing CL unilaterally. However, substantial evidence from 2014 onward strongly indicates that Chase is increasingly likely to reject applications (or at least not auto-approve them) where an applicant has an existing total credit line that is high compared to his/her income & spending patterns. (For many members, the threshold appears to be in the $45K-60K range, but that is highly speculative.)

Recent reports suggest that closing accounts and/or voluntarily reducing credit lines increases the odds of auto-approval or in-branch pre-approval. (You can do either by calling or simply sending a secure message through your Chase online account. You do not need to provide a reason for the request.) For best results, keep at least $5K-10K in excess credit; if your application is not approved, you can always contact the reconsideration department and offer to reallocate that portion of your existing credit line. Note: despite allowing credit line to be moved between personal and business accounts in the past, Chase is no longer permitting such reallocation in either direction.

With respect to timing, it is better to reduce any CL as soon as you can conveniently do so, e.g., after meeting the bonus spend on a card you do not plan to use regularly thereafter. (Do not reduce CL on a given card if it would increase your "credit utiilization"--that is, the ratio of outstanding balance to CL--above ~30%. A high credit utilization number is a red flag for banks and can adversely affect your credit score.) Waiting until one's next application to lower a CL is less than optimal, as the reduced CL is not immediately recognized by all of Chase's systems.

There is no known minimum wait between lowering a CL and having the freed-up amount become available for purposes of a new application. A prudent applicant will, as recommended above, plan well in advance; failing that, an applicant would be wise to wait at least 24 hours between lowering a CL and applying for a new card.

I wasn't auto-approved. Should I call in?
It may be better to avoid calling Chase unless your application is denied. Many recent calls on pending applications led to denials, and many people report having success letting applications work their way through the system. Be patient. Time is on your side; increasingly, Chase CSRs are not.

If you do call, expect extensive and possibly hostile questioning. Be prepared to answer questions regarding the need for more credit, past credit apps for both Chase and other banks, income, business finances, etc. Know your CLs with Chase before you call so you know which card/s you are willing to decrease the CLs on. If the app is for a significant other who dislikes such calls, they can authorize you to speak on their behalf and hand the phone over to you.

How can I determine the deadline for meeting the spend requirement to earn the signup bonus?
Just send Chase a secure message (SM) through your online account. Although the deadline should in theory be N months from the date of approval (not the date of application or card activation)--where N is the number of months specified in the offer--Chase typically pads this period to account for the time required to fabricate and deliver physical cards. For example, a recent "3-month" deadline was in fact 114 days, as confirmed by Chase's SM confirmation.

Once I meet the card's spend requirement, how soon will I receive my signup bonus points?
Bonus points typically accrue at the close of the billing period in which you incur the corresponding charges. Points should appear in your hotel/airline account within a few days thereafter.

NOTE: If you complete your required spending in the last 7-10 days of the statement period, the bonus may not post until the following month's statement, even if the regular per-dollar points post on the first statement. This is normal behavior for Chase and is not worth a phone call.

Should I downgrade or cancel my existing cards before applying?
Useful Chase telephone numbers
(800) 432-3117 – General Application Status Line, automated
(800) 436-7927 – Alternative General Application Status Line, automated
(888) 609-7805 – Alternative Personal Reconsideration line with live rep
(888) 269-8690 - Business Credit Card Application Status Line, automated
(800) 453-9719 – Business Credit Card Reconsideration Line with live rep
(800) 955-9900 – General Card Services and Application status, automated
(888) 298-5623 – Credit Reallocation Office (Personal cards)
(800) 453-9719 – Credit Reallocation Office (Business cards)
(888) 622-7547 – Executive Offices
(877) 470-9042 – Personal Application Verification line with live rep
Twitter: @ChaseSupport
Note: In the past, automated telephone status reports stating that Chase would notify you in 2 weeks often resulted in an approval, whereas the "7-10 days" telephone recording often indicated imminent denial. In 2016, this pattern became increasingly unpredictable, with many applicants receiving approval despite an earlier "7-10 days" automated telephone message. As a result, automated telephone responses should not be regarded as reliable indicators of an application's likely outcome.
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Old Jan 9, 2017, 4:37 pm
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Adding a (happy) datapoint.

Today I applied online for the Reserve card to get in on the 100K bonus before it went away. Got the 7-10 pending notice. I'm at 4/24 with two of those being AU. I last applied in August and was rejected, so I've waited for 3 of my cards to fall off my 24 month calendar so that I could be below 5/24.

I called recon line, and offered to move CL around if that would expedite things. The rep was able to do so, and I got approved - the Reserve card has to have at least a 10K line. I should be receiving it soon!
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Old Jan 9, 2017, 5:13 pm
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I decided to bite the bullet, and apply for a card - and got approved: I've now got barely over 12 months of credit history, and a mix of a secured card from my bank, a real credit card through Amex, and recently an Amex plat. Previous applications from when I had less than 12 months of credit history have not been approved, and I only started seeing pre-qualified Chase offers after 12 months (I also switched my checking and savings to Chase a few months ago).

I got the United MPE with 50k bonus, approved with $12k limit. The signup bonus is 50k miles for $2k spend (which is easier than 50k for $4k with the Sapphire Preferred - otherwise I would've gone for that card). I'm not keen on any cards with an initial annual fee since I've already got the Amex plat - amex lounge access is much more useful than the CSR given my travel patterns.
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Old Jan 9, 2017, 7:03 pm
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First post.Thought I will share my experience.
I am 5/24.(4 personal credit cards and 1 chase mileage plus explorer business card). I decided to try my luck today hoping Chase would not count the chase business card. Went to the branch. No pre approval. Still requested the banker to apply. Instant approval!!. FICO score 830. I have a checking and savings account with Chase.
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Old Jan 9, 2017, 8:36 pm
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Originally Posted by ranga
First post.Thought I will share my experience.
I am 5/24.(4 personal credit cards and 1 chase mileage plus explorer business card). I decided to try my luck today hoping Chase would not count the chase business card. Went to the branch. No pre approval. Still requested the banker to apply. Instant approval!!. FICO score 830. I have a checking and savings account with Chase.
I'm 5/24 at the moment but one of those is a chase ink plus. I'm going to go into the branch and see if I have any preapprovals. If not I am wondering if I should just apply in branch or if it will be the same result if I apply online.
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Old Jan 10, 2017, 7:54 am
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Lets see which bloggers selling credit cards will shut up about being able to get the 100k signup bonus for the CSR at Chase branches. I can't wait to call them out, it is soooooo much fun. And enlightening!
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Old Jan 10, 2017, 8:45 am
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Originally Posted by gpapadop
Lets see which bloggers selling credit cards will shut up about being able to get the 100k signup bonus for the CSR at Chase branches. I can't wait to call them out, it is soooooo much fun. And enlightening!
It already happened. The points guy had a article yesterday about going live to answer questions and he didn't mention in branch sign up. You can go read it.
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Old Jan 10, 2017, 10:06 am
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Applied last light to get the 100K bonus before it goes away as well. In retrospect, I *should* have lowered the higher limits on 2 of my 3 other Chase cards. Got the 7-10 business days notice. Thought about calling, but changed my mind after reading through this thread.

I think the 7-10 days message was strictly due to my combined credit limit on the other cards. I send 2 secure messages to reduce limits on my higher limit cards.

This morning I logged in to lowered limits on the 2 cards, and the Reserve card showing up in my account! (Limit is way higher than even both of the high-limit cards.)

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Old Jan 10, 2017, 11:08 am
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Originally Posted by ranga
First post.Thought I will share my experience.
I am 5/24.(4 personal credit cards and 1 chase mileage plus explorer business card). I decided to try my luck today hoping Chase would not count the chase business card. Went to the branch. No pre approval. Still requested the banker to apply. Instant approval!!. FICO score 830. I have a checking and savings account with Chase.
Did the banker tell you you were instantly approved? I visited a branch yesterday to check on pre-approvals (WAY over 5/24) and didn't have any.... decided to try it anyway. Banker said they always notify applicants via mail, and I'll find out in a week. Was that her way of not telling me to my face that I wasn't approved?
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Old Jan 10, 2017, 11:35 am
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Originally Posted by LizGross144
Did the banker tell you you were instantly approved? I visited a branch yesterday to check on pre-approvals (WAY over 5/24) and didn't have any.... decided to try it anyway. Banker said they always notify applicants via mail, and I'll find out in a week. Was that her way of not telling me to my face that I wasn't approved?
Correct.
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Old Jan 10, 2017, 12:06 pm
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Oh, and I forgot to mention: I applied for the MPE online, and at the end of the application process was told to call Chase with a reference number to verify some of the information in the application. After 30 minutes waiting, a rep took the reference number and personal information, put me on hold for a minute, came back to tell me he needed to check a few more details - and put me on hold again - followed by telling me I was approved, what my limit was, and that the card would be sent out soon.

I.e. I had to call, but they didn't ask for any information beyond name, last 4 digits of SSN, and DOB - all stuff that was in the online application (I might not have been logged into my chase account while doing this, so maybe they were just needing to link them up?).
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Old Jan 10, 2017, 1:51 pm
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Originally Posted by LizGross144
Did the banker tell you you were instantly approved? I visited a branch yesterday to check on pre-approvals (WAY over 5/24) and didn't have any.... decided to try it anyway. Banker said they always notify applicants via mail, and I'll find out in a week. Was that her way of not telling me to my face that I wasn't approved?
YES,the banker did tell me that I was approved. I was happy to get instant approval being 5/24.
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Old Jan 10, 2017, 2:19 pm
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Originally Posted by ranga
YES,the banker did tell me that I was approved. I was happy to get instant approval being 5/24.
Sigh. Not holding my breath on this then.
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Old Jan 10, 2017, 2:20 pm
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Any insights on the "no more than 1 app within 30 days" rule cited by Chase on a recon call?
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Old Jan 10, 2017, 3:01 pm
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Since American Express reports all account open dates as the original account open date for your first American Express Credit Card (or, separately, the original open date for your first charge card, for charge cards), are these counted that way for 5/24, or are they counted for their individual open dates?
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Old Jan 10, 2017, 3:24 pm
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Originally Posted by donotblink
Since American Express reports all account open dates as the original account open date for your first American Express Credit Card (or, separately, the original open date for your first charge card, for charge cards), are these counted that way for 5/24, or are they counted for their individual open dates?
Amex stopped doing that getting close to 2 years ago (late March 2015)!
Anyway, since it used to report that to credit bureaus, that's what Chase sees for 5/24. But, that won't help you except for Amex cards you opened early in 2015. (And in a few months, the date at which Amex stopped backdating will be over 24 months ago, and so it won't matter at all any more for 5/24.)

The simple way to understand what Chase counts for 5/24 is to think of it as "any non-AU bank cards that show an 'opened-on' date on your credit report within the past 24 months". (It's unclear if they always, never, or sometimes also count Chase business cards, which generally don't show up on credit reports.) Then look at your own credit report and do the count yourself.

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