CX 77W to Australia (confirmed)
Feb 20, 2017, 11:15 pm
#166
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Feb 20, 2017, 11:42 pm
#167
Join Date: Jul 2015
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And according to Aus106080, loading for HKG is 87%, highest in both "by country" and "by city", 5% lead over Singapore.
CX loading is 89.2% inbound and 89.8% outbound, also highest in all airlines flying to Australia.
No wonder I always felt crowded when flying CX
Maybe CX could upgrade A330s to 77W at peak season like QF does for HKG route, or maybe CX is waiting for Sydney's second airport to open in mid 2020s, or maybe CBR could have direct service.
Feb 21, 2017, 4:45 am
#168
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Thanks for your info. Loading was relatively light last week and it was just my personal experience that most of the CX flights I've been taking were full flights.
And according to Aus106080, loading for HKG is 87%, highest in both "by country" and "by city", 5% lead over Singapore.
CX loading is 89.2% inbound and 89.8% outbound, also highest in all airlines flying to Australia.
No wonder I always felt crowded when flying CX
Maybe CX could upgrade A330s to 77W at peak season like QF does for HKG route, or maybe CX is waiting for Sydney's second airport to open in mid 2020s, or maybe CBR could have direct service.
And according to Aus106080, loading for HKG is 87%, highest in both "by country" and "by city", 5% lead over Singapore.
CX loading is 89.2% inbound and 89.8% outbound, also highest in all airlines flying to Australia.
No wonder I always felt crowded when flying CX
Maybe CX could upgrade A330s to 77W at peak season like QF does for HKG route, or maybe CX is waiting for Sydney's second airport to open in mid 2020s, or maybe CBR could have direct service.
Feb 21, 2017, 5:25 am
#169
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So maybe CX does need A380s for SYD & MEL. It is also a good selling point for the Chinese market as they fancy anything large in size. I was walking down at the railway station at Hangzhou last week to pick up a friend of mine, it's like 1000 times the size of Sydney Central station, just the largest hall I've ever seen.
Feb 21, 2017, 9:59 am
#170
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So maybe CX does need A380s for SYD & MEL. It is also a good selling point for the Chinese market as they fancy anything large in size. I was walking down at the railway station at Hangzhou last week to pick up a friend of mine, it's like 1000 times the size of Sydney Central station, just the largest hall I've ever seen.
Feb 21, 2017, 3:25 pm
#171
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To carry the amount of pax (majority of them in Y), if CX doesn't feel like Australia need F, they could sell the F cabin as J same as QF does for their A380s. HKG - Australia was running at 90% loading in 2016 on average, all flights would be full during shoulder and peak season. It seems CX might replace most of the A333s to A359 and SYD will go 4 x 77W and 10 across to increase seats by about 10%. However, is that enough?
Feb 21, 2017, 8:14 pm
#173
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time after time we come to this issue
being FULL doesnt mean PROFITABLE with good yield... flying full filled with transit from EU or fanfarr or ID or redemption pax does no good to yield. however having 3 flights but all good yield with even 80pct full, is more profitable no?
being FULL doesnt mean PROFITABLE with good yield... flying full filled with transit from EU or fanfarr or ID or redemption pax does no good to yield. however having 3 flights but all good yield with even 80pct full, is more profitable no?
Feb 21, 2017, 10:17 pm
#174
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time after time we come to this issue
being FULL doesnt mean PROFITABLE with good yield... flying full filled with transit from EU or fanfarr or ID or redemption pax does no good to yield. however having 3 flights but all good yield with even 80pct full, is more profitable no?
being FULL doesnt mean PROFITABLE with good yield... flying full filled with transit from EU or fanfarr or ID or redemption pax does no good to yield. however having 3 flights but all good yield with even 80pct full, is more profitable no?
You can always be full if you want. Sell tickets for $1 each and I guarantee you 100% load factor every time. Full is not necessarily a relevant indicator.
Yield is the complete picture.
Feb 21, 2017, 10:49 pm
#175
Join Date: Oct 2016
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...correct. Yield is the most important factor. Load factor is about finding the market price and filling your plane to capitalize on operating leverage, but is farther removed from profitability.
You can always be full if you want. Sell tickets for $1 each and I guarantee you 100% load factor every time. Full is not necessarily a relevant indicator.
Yield is the complete picture.
You can always be full if you want. Sell tickets for $1 each and I guarantee you 100% load factor every time. Full is not necessarily a relevant indicator.
Yield is the complete picture.
marginal cost for airline industry is very low.
Aug 9, 2017, 10:30 am
#176
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Maybe I missed something but I'm on CX101 tonight and surprised to walk into a 77H.
Sacrificing a lot of extra seats in Y compared to 77G so one would imagine this wasn't a last minute aircraft swap.
As a side note and random data point, the Pilot also delayed the aircraft by over 50mins to wait for about 30 connecting passengers coming in late from PEK. This was part of his welcome announcement.
Sacrificing a lot of extra seats in Y compared to 77G so one would imagine this wasn't a last minute aircraft swap.
As a side note and random data point, the Pilot also delayed the aircraft by over 50mins to wait for about 30 connecting passengers coming in late from PEK. This was part of his welcome announcement.
Aug 9, 2017, 10:46 am
#177
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Maybe I missed something but I'm on CX101 tonight and surprised to walk into a 77H.
Sacrificing a lot of extra seats in Y compared to 77G so one would imagine this wasn't a last minute aircraft swap.
As a side note and random data point, the Pilot also delayed the aircraft by over 50mins to wait for about 30 connecting passengers coming in late from PEK. This was part of his welcome announcement.
Sacrificing a lot of extra seats in Y compared to 77G so one would imagine this wasn't a last minute aircraft swap.
As a side note and random data point, the Pilot also delayed the aircraft by over 50mins to wait for about 30 connecting passengers coming in late from PEK. This was part of his welcome announcement.
Aug 9, 2017, 11:30 am
#178
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AOG? There is one 7G (QQ) on the ground right now.
Anyway, not surprised that they might be tight with frames as there are some extra services like FCO...
(All 7Hs in use except PE who went to XMN)
Anyway, not surprised that they might be tight with frames as there are some extra services like FCO...
(All 7Hs in use except PE who went to XMN)
Aug 9, 2017, 5:54 pm
#179
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Lots of northern transit pax in J on the way in and Aus businessmen on the way out.
Aug 9, 2017, 7:07 pm
#180
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Not often to hear 77H to SYD. Either last minute change or really high loading for premium pax (seems to be the case?). I suppose the F seats are for elite J pax, and maybe some Y pax were upgraded to PEY due to the smaller Y cabin.