May 4, 2015, 8:46 pm
Last edit by: maortega15
This is a thread to discuss rumours / potential new routes for Cathay Pacific to fly to.
Current speculation:
Current speculation:
New route speculation for Cathay
Jul 19, 2015, 3:03 pm
#167
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EWR is a UA fortress, CX does fine
same with SFO
so ATL and Houston are not out
CX can outdo any Asian Carrier, CX is now the largest asian Trans Pacific carrier...
finally by your logic, AA should not fly to HK cause HK is CX's territory
with respect to AA
CX has Asia in it's backyard, AA has South America...
CX has way more potential to succeed to DFW, connecting it to SIN,China,Indonesia and India...
same with SFO
so ATL and Houston are not out
CX can outdo any Asian Carrier, CX is now the largest asian Trans Pacific carrier...
finally by your logic, AA should not fly to HK cause HK is CX's territory
with respect to AA
CX has Asia in it's backyard, AA has South America...
CX has way more potential to succeed to DFW, connecting it to SIN,China,Indonesia and India...
SFO and NYC are also much bigger points for Asian traffic in general than ATL and IAH.
The lack of non-hub-alliance carriers at ATL and IAH is telling. I know, KE at IAH stands out. The business traffic from either does not align well with HKG (autos, manufacturing, oil).
As for the assertion that CX can outdo any Asian carrier, I'm proud of CX as anyone, but CX had to downgauge SFO, ORD, and YYZ. KE would also have something to say about being the biggest Asian TransPac, since CX still cannot match its breadth of places it goes. HKG is simply too far south to make places like ATL, LAS, HNL, DEN, work in terms of getting enough through-traffic from China and Japan like Japan/Korea can.
BOS to daily (350 then 77W), SEA (350, 4x to daily), and maybe, maybe MIA or IAD are the most likely for NA. (I think CX will also want to up SFO, LAX, and perhaps ORD if it can.)
As for Europe, SK is starting ARN so I think CX will steer clear of Scandinavia until the dust settles. CPH-HKG has higher O&D than ARN-HKG, but I think SK picked ARN to get intra-SK-hub flows. CX will want more LHR slots if it can get them. 6x daily, anyone? LHR-HKG is so busy that load factors are crazy high and a fair number go through ME3. MAN-HKG (up it to daily) will take some of the load off LHR. Or it could do a dual LGW/LHR strategy like it does with JFK/EWR. (Please don't start a fight over this analogy, I know it's not perfect.)
Jul 19, 2015, 6:35 pm
#168
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Jul 19, 2015, 7:40 pm
#169
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Excuse me, the source was The Standard, not SCMP. The wording was the reporter's paraphrasing, so I took that to mean ZRH and BOS were doing better than CX had thought they would.
Jul 19, 2015, 7:53 pm
#170
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Jul 22, 2015, 12:48 pm
#174
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BOS - I heard BOS has same issue with ORD, great premium traffic, poor Y traffic (funny how "great" premium load can't carry a route to expansion the same way great Y loads can)
ATL - might be good to explore, SE USA seems to be underserved
MIA - might be stretching it a bit, I just don't see the market.
PHL - Might be good to try it out
DFW - definitely in my opinion should of been done years ago.
SEA - also a decent route that is worthy of a try.
ATL - might be good to explore, SE USA seems to be underserved
MIA - might be stretching it a bit, I just don't see the market.
PHL - Might be good to try it out
DFW - definitely in my opinion should of been done years ago.
SEA - also a decent route that is worthy of a try.
It's too far for a non-stop, but the market size is good and the yields are awesome because it leans very premium.
Jul 30, 2015, 1:06 am
#175
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I have been wondering about that for a long time. MAD would offer such superior transfer experience to South America compared with the alternatives via the U.S., which requires a visa and often terminal change (JFK). MAD probably offers as many S.A. connections as DFW, which is currently the best option for OW passengers going from HKG to S.A. (using AA).
Jul 30, 2015, 1:15 am
#176
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It's all about HKG-South America! I'm guessing if they do operate this route (with restricted loads) it will be 60-70% South America-bound, leveraging AA's unrivaled network there (crappy terminal notwithstanding).
Jul 30, 2015, 2:03 am
#177
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And if you think that AA's brand new MIA terminal sucks, curious what you think of other airports considering MIA is by far one of the nicest in the U.S.
Jul 30, 2015, 2:09 am
#178
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Jul 30, 2015, 12:01 pm
#179
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DFW Terminal D beats MIA in every possible way.
If MIA was that important or that premium in the eyes of any Asian carrier (or AA's Asian route planners) - some of them - ANY of them, would have had N/S or one stop service - the fact that it doesn't tells you something.
If MIA was that important or that premium in the eyes of any Asian carrier (or AA's Asian route planners) - some of them - ANY of them, would have had N/S or one stop service - the fact that it doesn't tells you something.