Premium Y on CX
Sep 21, 2014, 9:20 pm
#1
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Premium Y on CX
Hi all,
I just made a PY redemption on CX from HKG-ORD with my avois points. But when I look at actual cost of the ticket, it cost as much as 5 times compare to the lowest Economy class! I haven't check other destinations for price, is this normal price for the ticket?
I just made a PY redemption on CX from HKG-ORD with my avois points. But when I look at actual cost of the ticket, it cost as much as 5 times compare to the lowest Economy class! I haven't check other destinations for price, is this normal price for the ticket?
Sep 21, 2014, 10:05 pm
#2
Join Date: Dec 2006
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You're comparing revenue PEY to revenue EY? That differential seems a little high, but no so out of whack, especially if you're comparing an ultra-discounted economy ticket (like a fanfare, if one is available for your dates) to a higher-bucket/full fare upgradeable premium economy. It's most noticeable if you're only looking at one-way instead of return.
Sep 21, 2014, 10:14 pm
#3
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No It was actually a round-trip flight, and yes I was looking lowest Y class, but even if it is flexible fare it still cost twice as much. Not sure if it is worth the price, I guess I will evaluate this Thursday.
Sep 22, 2014, 2:14 am
#4
Join Date: Mar 2011
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If you're using avios points, redemptions are at a fixed ratio, aka Y = 50k miles, PY = 1.5x Y redemption, 75k miles. J Biz = 2x Y redemption, 100k miles etc.
So from value per avios point view point, since PY costs 2-5X Y, paying only 1.5X avios for PY vs Y redemption is a very good value then right?
So from value per avios point view point, since PY costs 2-5X Y, paying only 1.5X avios for PY vs Y redemption is a very good value then right?
Sep 22, 2014, 3:20 am
#5
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: London
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PEY can be good or poor value for money.
Sometimes you can get it for 30% more than the cheapest available Y. Infact I've previously booked a changeable-for-free PEY which was only 30% more than a pay-to-change Y.
OTOH if it was multiples of the standard economy price, then I would be flying standard economy. A factor of 5 seems exceptionally large however. Are you sure you got the numbers right?
Sometimes you can get it for 30% more than the cheapest available Y. Infact I've previously booked a changeable-for-free PEY which was only 30% more than a pay-to-change Y.
OTOH if it was multiples of the standard economy price, then I would be flying standard economy. A factor of 5 seems exceptionally large however. Are you sure you got the numbers right?
Sep 22, 2014, 7:43 am
#7
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One Way for Y is 35k and PY is 52.5k. I used the Points + cash option and paid 36.75k + $200 +Fee. I am definitely okay for paying addition $200 + 1750 points for a long-haul flight.
But for flights less then 6 hours I would not have pay the extra, and when paying with cash I wouldn't do it if the price is double the amount of Y class unless it has exceptional service and food.
But for flights less then 6 hours I would not have pay the extra, and when paying with cash I wouldn't do it if the price is double the amount of Y class unless it has exceptional service and food.
Sep 22, 2014, 7:50 am
#8
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Economy Supersaver - HKD 5,690.00
Economy Save- HKD 8,030.00
Economy Special- HKD 12,030.00
Economy Core - HKD 15,900.00
Economy Standard- HKD 17,340.00
Premium Economy Standard -HKD 23,410.00
Lowest Y to PY is about 4.11x
"Special" is about 2x
that is crazy
Sep 22, 2014, 9:38 am
#9
Join Date: Feb 2013
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Yup just checked again for HKG-ORD Oct23/Oct30
Economy Supersaver - HKD 5,690.00
Economy Save- HKD 8,030.00
Economy Special- HKD 12,030.00
Economy Core - HKD 15,900.00
Economy Standard- HKD 17,340.00
Premium Economy Standard -HKD 23,410.00
Lowest Y to PY is about 4.11x
"Special" is about 2x
that is crazy
Economy Supersaver - HKD 5,690.00
Economy Save- HKD 8,030.00
Economy Special- HKD 12,030.00
Economy Core - HKD 15,900.00
Economy Standard- HKD 17,340.00
Premium Economy Standard -HKD 23,410.00
Lowest Y to PY is about 4.11x
"Special" is about 2x
that is crazyIn general anybody who pays the full fare for an unconditional ticket in any cabin class is a nutter!
Sep 22, 2014, 11:02 am
#10
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Yup just checked again for HKG-ORD Oct23/Oct30
Economy Supersaver - HKD 5,690.00
Economy Save- HKD 8,030.00
Economy Special- HKD 12,030.00
Economy Core - HKD 15,900.00
Economy Standard- HKD 17,340.00
Premium Economy Standard -HKD 23,410.00
Lowest Y to PY is about 4.11x
"Special" is about 2x
that is crazy
Economy Supersaver - HKD 5,690.00
Economy Save- HKD 8,030.00
Economy Special- HKD 12,030.00
Economy Core - HKD 15,900.00
Economy Standard- HKD 17,340.00
Premium Economy Standard -HKD 23,410.00
Lowest Y to PY is about 4.11x
"Special" is about 2x
that is crazy
Sep 22, 2014, 11:11 am
#11
Join Date: Sep 2004
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Cash fares in PEY exHKG or Australia normally have no bargains.
exUSA OTOH PEY fares will be more competitive with Y. And cabin occupancy rates will confirm that I believe. I haven't priced other locations in any detail.
Happy wandering
Fred
exUSA OTOH PEY fares will be more competitive with Y. And cabin occupancy rates will confirm that I believe. I haven't priced other locations in any detail.
Happy wandering
Fred
Sep 22, 2014, 1:16 pm
#12
Join Date: Jul 2013
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When premium Eco gets full, the prices can be ugly. I usually end up buying business because the fare difference is too small anyway (CDG or AMS to HKG). On one booking last year the lowest quoted business fare was actually lower than the premium eco fare.
You'll find out for yourself if you find premium worth it or not, personally I believe it's a little better than economy but a whole lot worse than business.
You'll find out for yourself if you find premium worth it or not, personally I believe it's a little better than economy but a whole lot worse than business.
Sep 22, 2014, 9:28 pm
#13
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Thank you everyone for your responds. It has been awhile since I flew CX, and I look forward trying their PY product.