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oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards Wiki v0.1
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards - sharing ideas
Jun 10, 2015, 11:22 am
#46
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"2. PER-HKG-PVG-HKG-JFK-ORD-YYZ-HKG-PER-HKG-PER --> another example of returning to origin (PER) and then tacking on further flights."
If its "PER-HKGx-PVG....HKG-PERo-HKGo-PER", then we can say PER-HKG one is a stopover, and one is a transit.
As for kaka's NRT itinerary,
I also noted that hkg-kix// - open jaw
then HKG-KIXo - stopover
then KIXo-HKG, while the 2nd time KIX is just transit - KIXx-HKG
Hence, in the above 2 examples, there is still not a complete sector repeat in the strict sense.
The OpenJaw vis-a-vis Stopover is tricky, but certainly transit is easy is to explain and get away on the sector repeat.
I am not sure if the system flags out HKG-KIXo *2 kind of scenario (HKG-KIX// might just trick the system!), so I would like to see an example of that, and if kaka can book your HKG-KIXo * 2, please share with us!
Cheers!
Jun 10, 2015, 7:23 pm
#47
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Even if you are using the open jaw allowance, it is ticketed as a stopover so HKG-KIX//...HKG-oKIX, has 2 segments ticketed as HKG-oKIX, even though only one stopover allowance (of the award rules) is being used.
It will likely be a matter of huge debate with the MPC, but it can definitely be done.
It will likely be a matter of huge debate with the MPC, but it can definitely be done.
Jun 11, 2015, 10:52 am
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Guess what, i spent more than 24 hrs for the double tramsit at kix and got miles for some sectors
Guess what, i spent more than 24 hrs for the double tramsit at kix and got miles for some sectors
Jun 15, 2015, 9:30 pm
#49
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Hi everyone, newbie here so please bear with me.
This would be my first attempt at redeeming a oneworld multi-carrier award flight. My destination is Seattle, which I find is not served that well by oneworld coming from KL/Singapore. Playing around on oneworld's website I came up with this:
SIN-HKG-ORD-SEA-JFK-HKG-SIN (distance 23,182 miles)
I am treating HKG as transits and ORD and JFK as stopovers. Is the route ok? How many days can I spend in ORD and JFK? Any other pointers/tips would be appreciated.
This would be my first attempt at redeeming a oneworld multi-carrier award flight. My destination is Seattle, which I find is not served that well by oneworld coming from KL/Singapore. Playing around on oneworld's website I came up with this:
SIN-HKG-ORD-SEA-JFK-HKG-SIN (distance 23,182 miles)
I am treating HKG as transits and ORD and JFK as stopovers. Is the route ok? How many days can I spend in ORD and JFK? Any other pointers/tips would be appreciated.
Jun 15, 2015, 9:37 pm
#50
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OW tickets are valid for 1 year, which means you have complete the flights within 1 year from the date of issue. So theoretically if your ticket is issued today, you can fly tomorrow and take your last flight 364 days from now.
You can make 5 stopovers, 2 transits and 2 open jaws. Your itinerary looks fine - but do have 2 non-CX/KA carriers? It looks like you only have CX and AA. You can't issue the OW award if you only have 1 non-CX/KA carrier.
You can make 5 stopovers, 2 transits and 2 open jaws. Your itinerary looks fine - but do have 2 non-CX/KA carriers? It looks like you only have CX and AA. You can't issue the OW award if you only have 1 non-CX/KA carrier.
Jun 15, 2015, 9:55 pm
#51
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Maybe you can try SEA-PHX-JFK on US and one of the HKG becomes a stopover.
SIN-xHKG-oORD-oSEA-xPHX-oJFK-oHKG-SIN
But I wonder if US is treated separately from AA?
SIN-xHKG-oORD-oSEA-xPHX-oJFK-oHKG-SIN
But I wonder if US is treated separately from AA?
Jun 15, 2015, 10:40 pm
#52
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At the moment (well, a week back at least), US is treated as separate from AA. Else on of the HkG-SIN of vv can be via KL and Mh can be used for one sector (higher Surcharge though).
If the trip is planned in business class, the domestic US sectors will have to be in coach..
If the trip is planned in business class, the domestic US sectors will have to be in coach..
Jun 15, 2015, 11:44 pm
#53
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Thanks for the fast and useful replies Psychiatrist, jagmeets and lcpteck.
Immediate change for inbound : SEA-oLHR-xDOH-oSIN-KCH (ba, qr, mh). Chance to try qr's 787-8 and A350?
I've tagged on KCH since it'll come under the 25k mile mark.
So tentatively its:
KCH-oSIN-xHKG-oORD-oSEA-oLHR-xDOH-oSIN-KCH (mh, cx, aa, ba, qr, mh) for 23,898 miles (http://tinyurl.com/qb3ua2c). 160k Asia Miles each for Business Class.
Workable? Any advise/comments appreciated!
Immediate change for inbound : SEA-oLHR-xDOH-oSIN-KCH (ba, qr, mh). Chance to try qr's 787-8 and A350?
I've tagged on KCH since it'll come under the 25k mile mark.
So tentatively its:
KCH-oSIN-xHKG-oORD-oSEA-oLHR-xDOH-oSIN-KCH (mh, cx, aa, ba, qr, mh) for 23,898 miles (http://tinyurl.com/qb3ua2c). 160k Asia Miles each for Business Class.
Workable? Any advise/comments appreciated!
Last edited by d4v1d; Jun 16, 2015 at 1:36 am
Jun 16, 2015, 1:06 am
#54
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TAM flies from New York to Toronto, so together with AA will qualify for the 2 non CX/KA airlines. Hence,
SIN-xHKG-oORD-oSEA-xPHX-oJFK-oYYZ-oHKG-SIN
TAM flight details
JJ8102
JFK 11:15a → YYZ 1:00p
Stops: 0
Aircraft: 763
Frequency: Su,M,W,F,Sa
SIN-xHKG-oORD-oSEA-xPHX-oJFK-oYYZ-oHKG-SIN
TAM flight details
JJ8102
JFK 11:15a → YYZ 1:00p
Stops: 0
Aircraft: 763
Frequency: Su,M,W,F,Sa
Last edited by Mafai; Jun 16, 2015 at 1:31 am
Jun 16, 2015, 1:40 am
#55
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You need to end in the country of origin...
Also BA will tack on hefty fuel surcharges - not sure about QR, but their fuels surcharges might be high too.
You could use BA/Avios website to check availability.
Also BA will tack on hefty fuel surcharges - not sure about QR, but their fuels surcharges might be high too.
You could use BA/Avios website to check availability.
Jun 16, 2015, 2:26 am
#56
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Jun 16, 2015, 5:52 am
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Jun 16, 2015, 6:34 am
#59
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Yep- stay less than 24h..but do check the breakdown of taxes / surcharges - recall reading on here of an Asiamiles redemption where the UK APD was wrongly charged...
Jun 16, 2015, 6:46 am
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