Legitimate oneworld award routing?
Apr 3, 2014, 8:03 am
#31
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i know jagmeets and psychiatrist have hands on experience. i've called the Canto line and they confirmed its ok. (i asked for HKG-ICN-NRT-HKG-BKK-HKG with JL and RJ as the 2 non CX/KA airline.
Apr 3, 2014, 8:43 am
#32
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i don't have experience with going back to the origin, but from what i know it's allowed.
i almost did it once myself - HKG-HND-HKG-LHR-GIG ... (which was allowed but i didn't ticket it)
but ended up doing TPE-NGO//HND-HKG-LHR-GIG//GRU-MAD-LHR/LCY-JFK-HKG-TPE
going back to LHR after Brazil was allowed
call a few different agents - you may get a different answer. some are obviously more knowledgeable than others.
sorry i can't be of more help.
i almost did it once myself - HKG-HND-HKG-LHR-GIG ... (which was allowed but i didn't ticket it)
but ended up doing TPE-NGO//HND-HKG-LHR-GIG//GRU-MAD-LHR/LCY-JFK-HKG-TPE
going back to LHR after Brazil was allowed
call a few different agents - you may get a different answer. some are obviously more knowledgeable than others.
sorry i can't be of more help.
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Apr 7, 2014, 12:02 am
#37
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 755
Same here.
I was told yes by Andrew from MPO, but ticket is not issued after one week. Calling back, Michael said "no", even after checking with ticketing.
Pass by airport counter today and asked, was told no after consulting ticketing as well.
Would Jagmeets please share your booking / e-ticket?
Jun 1, 2014, 3:35 pm
#38
Join Date: Apr 2000
Posts: 2,637
A bit confused about the limits on stopovers and transfers in these awards. I have done several multicarrier awards on AA until they stopped them in Apr. If there are 5 stopovers and 2 transfers + 2 open jaws, then one has 9 or 10 flight segments instead of the 16 segments allowed on AA. Is this correct? Can one pass thru a city more than 2 times (the limit on AA)? It seems that the 2 transfer limit makes for difficult route planning unless a transfer can be considered a stopover instead? Does the mileage between the open jaw segments count when determining the total mileage (it did not on AA).
Jun 1, 2014, 10:05 pm
#39
Join Date: Mar 2012
Programs: Marriott & SPG Plat, HH Diamond, Accor Plat, ex-Fairmont Plat, ex-Swissotel Eleva
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Same here.
I was told yes by Andrew from MPO, but ticket is not issued after one week. Calling back, Michael said "no", even after checking with ticketing.
Pass by airport counter today and asked, was told no after consulting ticketing as well.
Would Jagmeets please share your booking / e-ticket?
I was told yes by Andrew from MPO, but ticket is not issued after one week. Calling back, Michael said "no", even after checking with ticketing.
Pass by airport counter today and asked, was told no after consulting ticketing as well.
Would Jagmeets please share your booking / e-ticket?
Do let us know the outcome.
Sep 14, 2014, 8:25 pm
#40
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 6
Assuming stopover at the origin is not permitted, I come up with the following Oneworld multi-carrier itinerary in business for 160,000 miles. Is this legitimate? Also, it says that one must return to the country of origin, is HKG counted as China? Can I add another CKG-HKG at the end?
CKG-HKG (KA)stopover
HKG-LHR (CX)stopover
LHR-HKG (BA)stopover
HKG-LHR (CX)openjaw
HEL-CKG (AY) END
CKG-HKG (KA)stopover
HKG-LHR (CX)stopover
LHR-HKG (BA)stopover
HKG-LHR (CX)openjaw
HEL-CKG (AY) END
Feb 5, 2015, 5:56 am
#41
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NYC/SIN
Programs: CX DM, SQ KF
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Excerpt from Asia Miles Terms and Conditions...
http://downloads.asiamiles.com/pdf/p...rsguide_en.pdf
Airline Award - Award Miles Requirements
14.1 For round-trip awards, Upgrade Awards and Companion Award Travel on single
or dual carriers, the award miles requirements are based on the one-way actual
miles between the origin airport and destination airport. Where the sum of the
outbound one-way distance and the inbound one-way distance are not the
same, the longer distance shall be used to determine the award zone.
14.2 The member or the Nominee may make two stopovers, two transfers or one
open-jaw at either the origin, en route or turnaround point on all airline partners
except Air China and Iberia where no stopovers or open-jaws are permitted. If
the open-jaw is at the origin, the member or Nominee must return to the country
of origin, though not necessarily to the same city. The member must depart from
the intermediate point on the next available connecting flight. The preceding
is all subject to airline partners’ terms and conditions. For the purposes of this
section, open-jaw means a flight itinerary where the departure city is different
from the returning city, or alternatively, the destination city that a passenger
arrives in is different from the one he/she returns from on the return portion of
the trip.
14.3 For multiple sector award travel, the mileage credits required are that of the
highest class booked in any single itinerary.
14.4 For one-way award travel, the sum of the total sectors to be flown will count for
redemption purposes. In such circumstances, only one en route stopover is allowed.
14.5 To redeem a oneworld Multi-Carrier Award, the total mileage credits required
in determining the award zone is the sum of the sector distance (between the
origin airports and destination airports) of all sectors in the itinerary. The member
or Nominee can make a maximum of five stopovers. In addition, two transfers
and two open-jaws are permitted.
Contrasting 14.2 and 14.5, former confines open jaw to same country but latter doesn't. So seems like there is no requirement for same country for oneworld Multi Carrier Awards.
Am I right?
http://downloads.asiamiles.com/pdf/p...rsguide_en.pdf
Airline Award - Award Miles Requirements
14.1 For round-trip awards, Upgrade Awards and Companion Award Travel on single
or dual carriers, the award miles requirements are based on the one-way actual
miles between the origin airport and destination airport. Where the sum of the
outbound one-way distance and the inbound one-way distance are not the
same, the longer distance shall be used to determine the award zone.
14.2 The member or the Nominee may make two stopovers, two transfers or one
open-jaw at either the origin, en route or turnaround point on all airline partners
except Air China and Iberia where no stopovers or open-jaws are permitted. If
the open-jaw is at the origin, the member or Nominee must return to the country
of origin, though not necessarily to the same city. The member must depart from
the intermediate point on the next available connecting flight. The preceding
is all subject to airline partners’ terms and conditions. For the purposes of this
section, open-jaw means a flight itinerary where the departure city is different
from the returning city, or alternatively, the destination city that a passenger
arrives in is different from the one he/she returns from on the return portion of
the trip.
14.3 For multiple sector award travel, the mileage credits required are that of the
highest class booked in any single itinerary.
14.4 For one-way award travel, the sum of the total sectors to be flown will count for
redemption purposes. In such circumstances, only one en route stopover is allowed.
14.5 To redeem a oneworld Multi-Carrier Award, the total mileage credits required
in determining the award zone is the sum of the sector distance (between the
origin airports and destination airports) of all sectors in the itinerary. The member
or Nominee can make a maximum of five stopovers. In addition, two transfers
and two open-jaws are permitted.
Contrasting 14.2 and 14.5, former confines open jaw to same country but latter doesn't. So seems like there is no requirement for same country for oneworld Multi Carrier Awards.
Am I right?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/catha...deas-2.html#21
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards Itinerary