My 15-year-old Connecting through YVR on way from KIX to YUL: Meet & Greet?
#16
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Also, Canada does have exceptions to the passport requirement so check this link to see if your son can qualify: https://secure.cic.gc.ca/dc-dn/dcc-e...567.1494597078
Main requirement is that you cannot apply for this until 10 days before the flight.[/QUOTE]
Thanks! Regrettably the link is a 404.
Main requirement is that you cannot apply for this until 10 days before the flight.[/QUOTE]
Thanks! Regrettably the link is a 404.
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If you scroll down on the dual Canadian citizens page that Finkface provided, you'll see a section entitled "Find out if you are eligible for a special authorization to board your flight to Canada," which then has a link to a form to apply. (I think Section 107 tried to link directly to the form, but when I also tried to create a hyperlink it went to a 404, so it must just be a page you can't link directly to.)
For your son to qualify to apply, he'll have to have a passport from a visa-exempt country (so that's fine, as Japan is one), will have to do this no more than 10 days before his flight, and will have to either:
It doesn't state anywhere that the authorization is guaranteed, though (and you won't know until <10 days before the flight) and for any future travel he will definitely have to have a Canadian passport.
From reading elsewhere online it's clear that this special authorization is only meant to be a temporary accommodation and that at some point Canada will require that dual Canadian citizens -- aside from dual American-Canadian citizens -- possess a Canadian passport to enter Canada by air, point blank, no exceptions.
For your son to qualify to apply, he'll have to have a passport from a visa-exempt country (so that's fine, as Japan is one), will have to do this no more than 10 days before his flight, and will have to either:
- Had a Canadian passport in the past; or
- Have previously received a certificate of Canadian citizenship
It doesn't state anywhere that the authorization is guaranteed, though (and you won't know until <10 days before the flight) and for any future travel he will definitely have to have a Canadian passport.
From reading elsewhere online it's clear that this special authorization is only meant to be a temporary accommodation and that at some point Canada will require that dual Canadian citizens -- aside from dual American-Canadian citizens -- possess a Canadian passport to enter Canada by air, point blank, no exceptions.
Last edited by andrewesque; May 12, 2017 at 10:48 am Reason: Added "by air"
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Also, Canada does have exceptions to the passport requirement so check this link to see if your son can qualify: https://secure.cic.gc.ca/dc-dn/dcc-e...567.1494597078
Main requirement is that you cannot apply for this until 10 days before the flight.
Main requirement is that you cannot apply for this until 10 days before the flight.
Some of the airlines are more compassionate than they can seem at times. If you explain your situation they might be willing to change the flight to the US.
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Based on some other forums very few people get the special authorization and the name on the foreign passport has to be the exact same as on the Canadian citizenship document.
Some of the airlines are more compassionate than they can seem at times. If you explain your situation they might be willing to change the flight to the US.
Some of the airlines are more compassionate than they can seem at times. If you explain your situation they might be willing to change the flight to the US.
I don't want to make this forum a place for my immigration gripes but I find Canada's seemingly arbitrary dual-citizenship volte-face quite extraordinary—unless, one concludes, it is bowing to pressure from the Great White Wind to the south to tighten up its borders.
I mean, who asked Canada to judge whether or not my son is a dual citizen? It is showing a remarkable amount of concern all of a sudden, compared to the 15 years it just seemed not to care less and looked the other way. What exactly, has changed? Are all countries in the world now tarred with the same brush as a few Middle Eastern/Arabic ones merely to provide a so-called "Non profiling" image to non-Canadian observers? Does Japan seriously pose as much of a threat as Somalia? (I withdraw that question owing to its rhetorical unnecessarity!)
Begging everyone's pardon, as *most* of you good North American/British folk probably aren't very bothered by the new rules—but if affects me very, very much and as I said before, it just puts one more nail in my son's future's coffin . . . *sigh* . . . but you've all been very helpful and lord knows what would have happened had he merely shown up on the appointed day with his Japanese passport and expected to fly.
The disappointment on all quarters would have made today's seem trivial by comparison (as it happens, he has no idea any of this is even occurring. Yet).
But I'll muddle through somehow; perhaps Air Canada will have mercy and refund my entire ticket price seeing as how The Government of Canada did not exactly see fit to notify us left-behinds of the New Rules & Regulations.
I will keep you posted.
Cheers
Nick
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If he can't easily visit you in Canada, can you go to Japan to see him and spend time with him? Perhaps you could travel together to an area of Japan that he doesn't know (and take advantage of his fluency to help on the trip) or go to another Asian country that he can enter with his Japanese passport and where you can go easily with your Canadian passport? Singapore and South Korea might be easy options. Farther afield (and probably more expensive) would be to visit Australia or New Zealnad together, which would have the advantage of being English speaking countries (as is Singapore and to some extent, Hong Kong still).
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If he can't easily visit you in Canada, can you go to Japan to see him and spend time with him? Perhaps you could travel together to an area of Japan that he doesn't know (and take advantage of his fluency to help on the trip) or go to another Asian country that he can enter with his Japanese passport and where you can go easily with your Canadian passport? Singapore and South Korea might be easy options. Farther afield (and probably more expensive) would be to visit Australia or New Zealnad together, which would have the advantage of being English speaking countries (as is Singapore and to some extent, Hong Kong still).
I spent two weeks with him in Osaka (Nara) last August but that trip cost in the neighbourhood of $6,000 (with my hotel and our meals, gifts etc.) so even the option of my going there has now become impossible.
But he will be 18 in 2020 so after that I will no longer be at the mercy of his mother . . . It's a miserable set of circumstances but we must all play as well as we can with the hand we are dealt. And so shall I!
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Are you sure the consulate in Osaka is closed? It's still listed here: https://travel.gc.ca/assistance/emba...s/japan.gc.ca#
It does say "Limited informational and notary services." so they may not issue passports there, but maybe reach out to them and make your case? They may be able to aid in the process? If not, at least reach out to the Tokyo embassy and see if they can help.
It does say "Limited informational and notary services." so they may not issue passports there, but maybe reach out to them and make your case? They may be able to aid in the process? If not, at least reach out to the Tokyo embassy and see if they can help.
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Sorry about the trouble.
As others have mentioned, fly him to the US (Boston, New York etc.) and simply drive down there to pick him up. Then return to Montréal, get him set up with a passport here, and you are done.
A ticket from Japan to the US is likely less expensive than one to Canada, due to more competition between the markets.
As others have mentioned, fly him to the US (Boston, New York etc.) and simply drive down there to pick him up. Then return to Montréal, get him set up with a passport here, and you are done.
A ticket from Japan to the US is likely less expensive than one to Canada, due to more competition between the markets.
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Or, as others have said, research nonstop-options to US eastcoast airports.
Boston's about a five-hour drive.
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The degree to which they'll go to bat for a constituent varies from MP to MP (mine is excellent), but some of them live for this sort of stuff.
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Since you still have a few months, I would concur with trying to get your MP involved. There seem to be some special circumstances in play as your son is a minor and unable to get a Canadian passport of his own accord. It may be possible to either arrange for him to complete the formalities for a Canadian passport in Osaka, or to have the Canadian government issue the special dispensation exempting him that was mentioned earlier. It seems to me that it is possible to apply to the Canadian embassy in Tokyo by mail for a passport as long as his mother will sign the application. You may want to contact the Canadian embassy in Tokyo directly to see if it is possible.
Don't give up until you have exhausted all the potential avenues. Good luck.
Don't give up until you have exhausted all the potential avenues. Good luck.
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A BSO cannot deny entry to a Canadian Citizen. Because your child is a Canadian Citizen, BSOs will have to allow him entry at YVR. The only trick is to get him onto the plane. The airline staff have to be 100% certain that he won't be turned back. That is what the ETA system was introduced for.
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The airline's check-in system will not be able to issue a boarding pass if the passenger has a Japanese passport on the PNR but not an ETA. There is no discretion for staff to override this.
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A BSO cannot deny entry to a Canadian Citizen. Because your child is a Canadian Citizen, BSOs will have to allow him entry at YVR. The only trick is to get him onto the plane. The airline staff have to be 100% certain that he won't be turned back. That is what the ETA system was introduced for.
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Another vote for getting your MP involved asap. Hopefully, it is a Liberal (not for any political purposes but for ease of access for you)
Call the riding office and tell them you have a situation regarding your son's passport. Ask if you can come in and talk to someone. Lay out the whole story. I would write it down in advance and read it a few times, to make sure it is as complete as possible. Start at the beginning, have as many dates as you can fill in. All the documentation, regarding your son's birth, any court documents you have regarding custody, support etc.
The Minister for this portfolio is Ahmed D. Hussen. Start with your MP first though. Once you have the passport thing figured out. Then come back either here or in the AC forum and we can help you figure out your son transiting through YVR.
And please make sure you sign your son up for Aeroplan, might as well the miles for the trip.
Call the riding office and tell them you have a situation regarding your son's passport. Ask if you can come in and talk to someone. Lay out the whole story. I would write it down in advance and read it a few times, to make sure it is as complete as possible. Start at the beginning, have as many dates as you can fill in. All the documentation, regarding your son's birth, any court documents you have regarding custody, support etc.
The Minister for this portfolio is Ahmed D. Hussen. Start with your MP first though. Once you have the passport thing figured out. Then come back either here or in the AC forum and we can help you figure out your son transiting through YVR.
And please make sure you sign your son up for Aeroplan, might as well the miles for the trip.