Europe to Hawaii non-stop on DY?
Oct 11, 2014, 2:54 am
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Europe to Hawaii non-stop on DY?
Saw this: http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/ne...ghts-to-hawaii - now also quoted in many danish newspapers.
While I would hate to take that long trip on DY I wonder why no other (and better) airlines have found it good business to establish a non-stop Europe-Hawaii route (considering the many other leisure destinations out of LGW and the huge benefits of a non-stop (US westcoast transit sucks ))? The aircraft have been capable of this distance for years now (A345, 777-300ER, 787 and soon A350). Any info from anyone?
While I would hate to take that long trip on DY I wonder why no other (and better) airlines have found it good business to establish a non-stop Europe-Hawaii route (considering the many other leisure destinations out of LGW and the huge benefits of a non-stop (US westcoast transit sucks ))? The aircraft have been capable of this distance for years now (A345, 777-300ER, 787 and soon A350). Any info from anyone?
Oct 11, 2014, 2:27 pm
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Actually, many people prefer to make a connection ex-Europe to Hawaii. That connection need not be on the US west coast. One can make single connections in the eastern US (EWR, IAD, JFK, ATL), in the interior US (ORD, DEN, DFW, IAH), or in Canada (YVR).
Some year ago, one could connect at ANC. While Europe to ANC nonstops have come back, there is little chance that HNL-ANC will ever be resumed.
There has long been talk of Hawaii-Europe nonstops. Hawaii thought about it earlier this year and Thompson last year:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/hawai...nl-europe.html
http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/b...ay-fly-to.html
Most airlines have likely stayed away from Europe-Hawaii nonstops as there is very little business traffic to be had and as a result the average seat-per-mile price on flights ex-Hawaii is low.
Some year ago, one could connect at ANC. While Europe to ANC nonstops have come back, there is little chance that HNL-ANC will ever be resumed.
There has long been talk of Hawaii-Europe nonstops. Hawaii thought about it earlier this year and Thompson last year:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/hawai...nl-europe.html
http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/b...ay-fly-to.html
Most airlines have likely stayed away from Europe-Hawaii nonstops as there is very little business traffic to be had and as a result the average seat-per-mile price on flights ex-Hawaii is low.
Oct 12, 2014, 10:55 am
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Actually, many people prefer to make a connection ex-Europe to Hawaii. That connection need not be on the US west coast. One can make single connections in the eastern US (EWR, IAD, JFK, ATL), in the interior US (ORD, DEN, DFW, IAH), or in Canada (YVR).
Some year ago, one could connect at ANC. While Europe to ANC nonstops have come back, there is little chance that HNL-ANC will ever be resumed.
There has long been talk of Hawaii-Europe nonstops. Hawaii thought about it earlier this year and Thompson last year:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/hawai...nl-europe.html
http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/b...ay-fly-to.html
Most airlines have likely stayed away from Europe-Hawaii nonstops as there is very little business traffic to be had and as a result the average seat-per-mile price on flights ex-Hawaii is low.
Some year ago, one could connect at ANC. While Europe to ANC nonstops have come back, there is little chance that HNL-ANC will ever be resumed.
There has long been talk of Hawaii-Europe nonstops. Hawaii thought about it earlier this year and Thompson last year:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/hawai...nl-europe.html
http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/b...ay-fly-to.html
Most airlines have likely stayed away from Europe-Hawaii nonstops as there is very little business traffic to be had and as a result the average seat-per-mile price on flights ex-Hawaii is low.
Oct 12, 2014, 11:54 am
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The fact that there is no transit in the US is irrelevant to the Hawaii market as Hawaii is in the US. Thus, one will process through CBP somewhere.
Ultra longhauls typically have very high fares, largely because they are expensive to operate and there are tradeoffs to keep weight down. But, Hawaii is a downscale market with little demand for high-end business fares.
Business class (or the intermediate premium cabin where there is both F & J) is typically the most profitable for a carrier and makes up for deep discounts in steerage. But, it is highly unlikely that Europe-Hawaii will support the fare structure for J on other long-hauls.
Given the vast # of connection points in the USA, e.g. East, Midwest, Mountain and West, there are routes for all tastes and many of the connections to do not amount to significant delays.
Ultra longhauls typically have very high fares, largely because they are expensive to operate and there are tradeoffs to keep weight down. But, Hawaii is a downscale market with little demand for high-end business fares.
Business class (or the intermediate premium cabin where there is both F & J) is typically the most profitable for a carrier and makes up for deep discounts in steerage. But, it is highly unlikely that Europe-Hawaii will support the fare structure for J on other long-hauls.
Given the vast # of connection points in the USA, e.g. East, Midwest, Mountain and West, there are routes for all tastes and many of the connections to do not amount to significant delays.
Oct 12, 2014, 1:49 pm
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Hawaiian is not a LCC. It is a well established airline - with service going back to 1926 - and multiple classes of service. Nor is Hawaiian all that small either. It also has a fairly large network extending northwards to Anchorage, southwards to Sydney and Auckland, eastwards to Beijing, and westwards to New York City.
Virgin Atlantic pondered the idea as well. http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/...t-6281263.html
Virgin Atlantic pondered the idea as well. http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/...t-6281263.html
Oct 14, 2014, 11:09 am
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The fact that there is no transit in the US is irrelevant to the Hawaii market as Hawaii is in the US. Thus, one will process through CBP somewhere.
Ultra longhauls typically have very high fares, largely because they are expensive to operate and there are tradeoffs to keep weight down. But, Hawaii is a downscale market with little demand for high-end business fares.
Business class (or the intermediate premium cabin where there is both F & J) is typically the most profitable for a carrier and makes up for deep discounts in steerage. But, it is highly unlikely that Europe-Hawaii will support the fare structure for J on other long-hauls.
Given the vast # of connection points in the USA, e.g. East, Midwest, Mountain and West, there are routes for all tastes and many of the connections to do not amount to significant delays.
Ultra longhauls typically have very high fares, largely because they are expensive to operate and there are tradeoffs to keep weight down. But, Hawaii is a downscale market with little demand for high-end business fares.
Business class (or the intermediate premium cabin where there is both F & J) is typically the most profitable for a carrier and makes up for deep discounts in steerage. But, it is highly unlikely that Europe-Hawaii will support the fare structure for J on other long-hauls.
Given the vast # of connection points in the USA, e.g. East, Midwest, Mountain and West, there are routes for all tastes and many of the connections to do not amount to significant delays.
And no, not having to make a connection in a US airport is not "irrelevant". Of course you have to do it somewhere for Hawaii, but half way through when you have another plane to catch probably isn't the best time for most people! Last year I was held at the border for additional questioning for about 2 hours (after the 1 hour already spent in line) then (if I'm remembering the order correctly?) had to line up again for customs. I can (only just!) live with that on arrival, but that making me miss a connection...
Oct 30, 2014, 4:35 am
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Oct 30, 2014, 11:16 pm
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Yes, Alaska Airlines has provided ANC-Hawaii service for several years. Hawaiian Air no longer serves the route.
Dec 19, 2014, 2:38 pm
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Sounds like an ideal case for DY then, as it focuses largely on tourism (and has no real business product). Any business travelers would have to settle for a eco plus seat instead of a business seat. Or a few extra hours in some airport lounge of course, if punctuality doesn't improve...