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There's a small item in today's Sunday Times that BA has lost the contract to provide charter aircraft for the PM to Virgin. The decision was reportedly based on price, with Virgin uncutting BA by 20-30%.
Rightly or wrongly, this will be seen by some as quite a symbolic move.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle6797830.ece
"It used to be the world's favourite airline and now..." (Copyright all newspapers).
Rightly or wrongly, this will be seen by some as quite a symbolic move.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle6797830.ece
"It used to be the world's favourite airline and now..." (Copyright all newspapers).
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I would think 99% of the population would not notice. But this does reflect BA's plight against other airlines in the premium market.
Their prices are generally higher (20-30?) and the quality seems, based on this boards recent activity, to be losing its focus on its critical quality measures.
Their prices are generally higher (20-30?) and the quality seems, based on this boards recent activity, to be losing its focus on its critical quality measures.
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BahrainLad , Aug 16, 2009 12:29 pm
Quite right too. A stupid airline for a stupid man.
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Sixth Freedom , Aug 16, 2009 12:29 pm
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But VS does not have a first class cabin.
Whatever you might think about Mr Brown the Prime Minister of the UK should travel in F.
Whatever you might think about Mr Brown the Prime Minister of the UK should travel in F.
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Jumbodriver , Aug 16, 2009 12:32 pm
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But this does reflect BA's plight against other airlines in the premium market.
I think it reflects Virgins plight more than ours. Given 50-60% of costs are fixed fuel/airframe related, undercutting by 20-30% shows a pretty desperate need to find work for idle aircraft with unexpired leases.But this does reflect BA's plight against other airlines in the premium market.
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Whatever you might think about Mr Brown the Prime Minister of the UK should travel in F.
They also don't have a short-haul fleet (surely the PM doesn't need a 747 for short hops to mainland Europe) and a brand name that is not well suited some Middle Eastern countries the PM may need to visit.Originally Posted by Sixth Freedom
But VS does not have a first class cabin.Whatever you might think about Mr Brown the Prime Minister of the UK should travel in F.
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elitetraveler , Aug 16, 2009 12:38 pm
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VS probably has more PR upside out of it that BA; I am sure SRB will make every Gordie trip a VS press release.Originally Posted by Jumbodriver
I think it reflects Virgins plight more than ours. Given 50-60% of costs are fixed fuel/airframe related, undercutting by 20-30% shows a pretty desperate need to find work for idle aircraft with unexpired leases.
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Phil the Flyer , Aug 16, 2009 12:45 pm
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While I agree with your general sentiment I'll make an exception in the case of this to**er! Originally Posted by Sixth Freedom
Whatever you might think about Mr Brown the Prime Minister of the UK should travel in F.
On the bright side, at least there's now no chance of me bumping in to him in LHR T5 GF. If I did there's every chance I'd have blood on my hands.
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baggageinhall , Aug 16, 2009 12:56 pm
As a taxpayer, I am happy that the Government picked the cheapest deal.
Does anyone know how much the PM spends on charters each year? Is it time we bought an aircraft?
Does anyone know how much the PM spends on charters each year? Is it time we bought an aircraft?
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I would think the contract with VS doesn't allow them to make any public statements without prior approval from The Government.Originally Posted by elitetraveler
VS probably has more PR upside out of it that BA; I am sure SRB will make every Gordie trip a VS press release.
No smug self-congratulatory guff from Paul Charles yet anyway.
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Whatever you might think about Mr Brown the Prime Minister of the UK should travel in F.
Why? What's wrong with the front rows on VS? What's better about BA in F?Originally Posted by Sixth Freedom
But VS does not have a first class cabin.Whatever you might think about Mr Brown the Prime Minister of the UK should travel in F.
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elitetraveler , Aug 16, 2009 1:01 pm
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No smug self-congratulatory guff from Paul Charles yet anyway.
where there's a Will (Whitehorn) there's a way. Maybe they offered to upgrade the PM to Virgin GalacticaOriginally Posted by ian001
I would think the contract with VS doesn't allow them to make any public statements without prior approval from The Government.No smug self-congratulatory guff from Paul Charles yet anyway.
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edi-traveller , Aug 16, 2009 1:23 pm
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this is a joke question right?Originally Posted by AdrianS
Why? What's wrong with the front rows on VS? What's better about BA in F?
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Need4Speed , Aug 16, 2009 1:53 pm
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Does anyone know how much the PM spends on charters each year? Is it time we bought an aircraft?
Originally Posted by baggageinhall
As a taxpayer, I am happy that the Government picked the cheapest deal.Does anyone know how much the PM spends on charters each year? Is it time we bought an aircraft?
"Blair Force One" was going to cost in the region of £12M per year:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1826731.ece
Brown quite rightly decided to cancel Blair Force One:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...27/gordonbrown
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Does anyone know how much the PM spends on charters each year? Is it time we bought an aircraft?
Yep so am I, but if I were a BA shareholder I'd be fuming that BA didn't offer to fly the guy for free to keep this contract. Whatever you think of Gordon Brown, I think the kudos of carrying the PM of this country on official business is worth whatever it costs in terms of lost revs (and let's face it there are plenty of empty seats/planes they can give him at the moment!)Originally Posted by baggageinhall
As a taxpayer, I am happy that the Government picked the cheapest deal.Does anyone know how much the PM spends on charters each year? Is it time we bought an aircraft?
As to buying a plane, it is a classic UK scenario whereby the government prefers to shell out £xm per year in charters instead of £xxm in capex because a) it is politically embarrassing to buy a plane and b) it is easier to fund travel costs from current expenditure than pay upfront for capex. You see exactly the same phenomenon across the civil service and much of industry these days, where managers prefer to pay contractors 3 times the rate of a salaried employee, often for periods of several years, rather than bite the bullet and budget for a new permanent member of staff.