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Old Mar 31, 08, 7:30 am   #796
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Due to the new open layout of the spa, you hear announcements during your treatment. It felt like I had a speaker right above me and there was a very loud departure announcement every couple of minutes during my massage - and you hear lots of other noises from the terminal, too. Not my idea of a relaxing treatment. I liked the old spa(s) and also the Molton Brown treatments much more - I will likely skip treatments from now on.
Hmmm. I remember using the Arrivals lounge at T4 a few months ago when the fire alarm came on downstairs - you could barely hear it upstairs, but after a while we were all instructed by tannoy to leave the building. Twenty minutes or so later we were let back in to find that the spa staff (and customer) had not heard the announcement and had been in the building the whole time. I guess I might put up with the tannoy on those grounds alone ...
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Old Mar 31, 08, 7:34 am   #797
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It shouldn't be that hard to keep the fire alarm seperate from the tannoy.

RE: Repacking area,
T3 current has a few benches and tables to stop and repack at...or maybe this was just for fast track customers?
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Old Mar 31, 08, 7:35 am   #798
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a long set of rollers (no conveyor belt)
Sorry, that's what I meant. BRU does not have conveyor belts, but long tables with rollers.
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Old Mar 31, 08, 7:50 am   #799
 
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long delay on this mornings 872 to Moscow. Crew must be out of hours by now.

Still, this was not unusual pre T5.
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Old Mar 31, 08, 7:53 am   #800
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It shouldn't be that hard to keep the fire alarm seperate from the tannoy.
Indeed, but the point was not about hearing the fire alarm but hearing the tannoyed instructions to leave the building ...
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Old Mar 31, 08, 7:54 am   #801
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ok, or an all-areas broadcast tannoy option.
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Old Mar 31, 08, 8:02 am   #802
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I find that the only working solution is to have very long (meaning 5-10 metres) set of rollers in front of the x-ray, and sufficient table space after the x-ray. Then people can start unpacking when they get to the set of rollers and finish unpacking before they get to the x-ray, all while constantly moving forward. This allows for a constant flow of people that are ready to go through the x-ray. Look at BRU, it works. Why one would not implement this in a wholly new designed terminal is a mystery to me.
LCY has a system whereby there are TWO stacks of trays either side of a high-ish wooden sightscreen for every scanner. While person #1 unpacks on the left hand side, person #2 goes to the right hand side and unpacks there. When #1 is ready, #3 moves forward and starts to unpack, even when #2 isn't ready yet. And so forth. Works a treat. But only if you can feed trays manually into the scanner from two lines, so a non starter for BAA. I bet the automatic tray feeder was expensive.
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Old Mar 31, 08, 8:08 am   #803
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Well put. I thought of replying but I care too much about HIDDY to try and score points, and I was always tsught to be respectful to my elders ().

Sorry PUCCI don't agree with you,as I said before those days are gone.

Brand loyalty has little to do with pride and patriotism nowadays. I couldn't guess what percentage of non UK citizens fly with BA but it must surely be pretty high, so 'flying the flag' is meaningless to them - even holders of the UK passport north of the border have been forced to fly the Dutch, French and German flags with BA's attitude to the regions.

Price, product and punctuality is what makes one chose which airline to fly, not the national flag on the tail. I do admit that on passing EZE a few weeks ago I did see a familiar tailfin in the distance and thought of home and I will use BA again most certainly but only because it suits me to do so.
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Old Mar 31, 08, 8:09 am   #804
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Parking

Has anybody tried meet and greet pariking yet at T5?
What is the setup for CPS, Purple Parking, BA Express?

I have had a search around and can't find the info.
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Old Mar 31, 08, 8:23 am   #805
 
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Sorry PUCCI don't agree with you,as I said before those days are gone.

Brand loyalty has little to do with pride and patriotism nowadays. I couldn't guess what percentage of non UK citizens fly with BA but it must surely be pretty high, so 'flying the flag' is meaningless to them - even holders of the UK passport north of the border have been forced to fly the Dutch, French and German flags with BA's attitude to the regions.

Price, product and punctuality is what makes one chose which airline to fly, not the national flag on the tail. I do admit that on passing EZE a few weeks ago I did see a familiar tailfin in the distance and thought of home and I will use BA again most certainly but only because it suits me to do so.

Agree, not all of us are UK citizen. Would be interesting to find out the % of UK/non-UK Gold. Whatever the results, the choice of BA against other airline is due to the product more than the origin. Terminal 5 has a bad impact on the product as such.
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Old Mar 31, 08, 8:32 am   #806
 
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Question; coming in on Wednesday from YUL to T4, continuing to GVA from T5. I guess I would be entitled to use the arrivals lounge in T5? (I'm in J) What is the best way to go to T5 arrivals lounge from T4? Airside or landside? Thanks
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Old Mar 31, 08, 9:04 am   #807
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Sorry PUCCI don't agree with you,as I said before those days are gone.

Brand loyalty has little to do with pride and patriotism nowadays. I couldn't guess what percentage of non UK citizens fly with BA but it must surely be pretty high, so 'flying the flag' is meaningless to them - even holders of the UK passport north of the border have been forced to fly the Dutch, French and German flags with BA's attitude to the regions.

Price, product and punctuality is what makes one chose which airline to fly, not the national flag on the tail. I do admit that on passing EZE a few weeks ago I did see a familiar tailfin in the distance and thought of home and I will use BA again most certainly but only because it suits me to do so.
You are correct in all you say with respect to some passengers - but you have made the mistake of assuming your values work for all others - and have completely ignored segmentation.

Because some are not motivated by national loyalty does not mean than none are. And also suggesting that there is only one set of reasons for each passenger - your reasons - when choosing an airline is equally far too simplistic and therefore obviously incorrect. Even non-nationals may choose BA for nationalistic loyalty. I one had a very strange conversation with an Indian friend who flew BA because it was "British"!

Some people choose an airline because they can choose their seats, others because of the leg-room, sometimes it may be to avoid a cheese panini!

Your reasons do not fit all. An astute management takes customers from where-ever they can.

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Old Mar 31, 08, 10:01 am   #808
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Jim Fitzpatick (Transport Minister) has just said in the House, during the T5 emergency debate that "he was proud of the new virgin reception area".

I'm looking forward to seeing this, but I'm doubtful that they will keep it adequately stocked.
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Old Mar 31, 08, 10:02 am   #809
 
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Jim Fitzpatick (Transport Minister) has just said in the House, during the T5 emergency debate that "he was proud of the new virgin reception area".

I'm looking forward to seeing this, but I'm doubtful that they will keep it adequately stocked.
Also said that there were 28,000 bags now without their owners at LHR!!
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Old Mar 31, 08, 10:12 am   #810
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You are correct in all you say with respect to some passengers - but you have made the mistake of assuming your values work for all others - and have completely ignored segmentation.
I would say it is not only my view uk1 although I do not claim my view is correct for all,I'm far too broadminded for that.

I doubt very much then if the fiasco at T5 will dent the popularity of those you believe fly BA through national loyalty, if they feel that strong an attachment to the flag then they shall continue to fly BA.

I believe BA ditched the Britishness of the airline years ago somewhat controversially with the ethnic designed tailfins as they thought and I quote “The company's intention, replacing the traditional Union flag tailfin with something more modern, was to create a cosmopolitan feeling airline, not one trading on past glories of the Empire”. They wanted to attract more passengers, UK ones as well as foreign nationals whom they believed were being put off by the snooty image BA had at the time.

I am sure BA are far more worried about losing the non-nationalistic passengers to be honest.
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