23 Kilos max baggage weight as of 13th Feb
Dec 13, 2006, 8:42 am
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I suspect the "Health and Safety recommendations" excuse has been demanded by the unions to protect the workshy (aka bone idle) luggage handlers from "potential injury". What a bunch of pansies.
Yet another example of the deeply malign influence of the trade union.
Yet another example of the deeply malign influence of the trade union.
Dec 13, 2006, 8:45 am
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Hardly in a meaningul way I'd say (i.e. like NCW improvements do). They get the same checked bag allowance already on by-piece routes with a marginal extra allowance on by-weight routes in F. And they already had the same hand luggage allowance after the new changes came in (which is the same as every cabin anyway now with BAA's useless airports forcing the 'one bag only' rule on us all).
Is it good F/J and CE/W have more baggage allowance than Y? Yes, that should mean less chance of people on already expensive fares paying excess perhaps, if they pack right. BUT is it any good that it's 3x23Kg? No. Why? It's entirely impractical for the lone business traveller (err, hello, did someone say 'target audience'? Oh, no, sadly nobody thought of that at BA again?) to lug around 3-4 items (2-3 checked, one hand luggage) to/from airports, ffs. It's even less practical for a family with a couple of small kids to lug around dozens of cases and 2 pushchairs, etc. The whole thing doesn't add up. Sigh.
Is it good F/J and CE/W have more baggage allowance than Y? Yes, that should mean less chance of people on already expensive fares paying excess perhaps, if they pack right. BUT is it any good that it's 3x23Kg? No. Why? It's entirely impractical for the lone business traveller (err, hello, did someone say 'target audience'? Oh, no, sadly nobody thought of that at BA again?) to lug around 3-4 items (2-3 checked, one hand luggage) to/from airports, ffs. It's even less practical for a family with a couple of small kids to lug around dozens of cases and 2 pushchairs, etc. The whole thing doesn't add up. Sigh.
When the two of us go away in CE for a weekend break, or even CW Longhaul on a weekend break (or even 5 days), we take the one case as we don't want to be saddled with piece after piece of luggage, especially since the Mrs does not want to carry anything apart from her handbag
I guess that the 'discretion' they had when two customers are sharing one bag to 'pool' the allowance also goes out the window
Last edited by krich; Dec 13, 2006 at 8:55 am
Dec 13, 2006, 8:47 am
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But the fact that BA have changed this does not bode well for it being reintroduced ex UK
Dec 13, 2006, 8:48 am
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I suspect there was much horse trading in smoke filled rooms around changes in working practices for T5 and the 23kg maximum weight was an easy concession for the BA negotiators to make in return for something else that would save them money.
How wrong they were. I suspect they will find this costing them millions in lost passenger revenue.
Dec 13, 2006, 8:49 am
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I have nearly 4000 TP's with BA this year but this is the final straw. I have flown SQ and TG longhaul recently and will certainly be using these airlines premium cabins to Asia and Oz in the future.
I have no clue what BA are playing at.....
I have no clue what BA are playing at.....
Dec 13, 2006, 8:49 am
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BUT is it any good that it's 3x23Kg? No. Why? It's entirely impractical for the lone business traveller (err, hello, did someone say 'target audience'? Oh, no, sadly nobody thought of that at BA again?) to lug around 3-4 items (2-3 checked, one hand luggage) to/from airports, ffs.
Dec 13, 2006, 8:53 am
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F off BA. I just got the message from Sazza and came str8 here to find I'm a latecomer to this news.
Only the poor travel light and I'm not poor. 23Kgs they can f right off.
I'm gay for godsake. If I go away for a week I can't be seen in the same outfit every day. I can't even be seen in the same outfit for the whole of one day.
This is not on Sazza.
From 13 Feb VC10 Boy will be going out of his way to fly with a Star Carrier.
What a nice Valentines pressie from the worlds most stupid f-ing airline.
Of course I can have x number of other bags at 23kg at a price. Perhaps I should save money by travelling discounted Y. No on second thoughts I couldn't bear it.
Only the poor travel light and I'm not poor. 23Kgs they can f right off.
I'm gay for godsake. If I go away for a week I can't be seen in the same outfit every day. I can't even be seen in the same outfit for the whole of one day.
This is not on Sazza.
From 13 Feb VC10 Boy will be going out of his way to fly with a Star Carrier.
What a nice Valentines pressie from the worlds most stupid f-ing airline.
Of course I can have x number of other bags at 23kg at a price. Perhaps I should save money by travelling discounted Y. No on second thoughts I couldn't bear it.
Dec 13, 2006, 8:57 am
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Do I regularly carry that much in my luggage? No - certainly for shorthaul/short longhaul trips. But if I'm going to an event or going on a longer 'tour' type trip, then in addition to clothes I often pack literature/samples/other stuff, etc. I cannot recall in all my travels that I've exceeded 32Kg. I have exceeded 23Kg many times. Do I relish trying to lug 2 suitcases now, one weighing 23Kg and one weighing 2Kg, around? Not really! That's just bloody silly! What about those shopping jaunts to NY? I'm pretty sure all the airlines are loving that right now - so what, should I check one case and then a second empty one to fill up? How the hell does that help them reduce baggage handling costs - the lazy, useless, workshy baggage handlers now have to mishandle twice as many cases. It'll take twice as long to get bags out! The August farce proved the baggage system is already over-stretched...how does putting MORE cases in the system at a few Kgs less help? It is madness. In addition, instead of carrying one case for me weighing, say, 25Kg in total, BA will now carry 2 cases - 23Kg + 2Kg + weight of second hard-shell case (only a fool travels with a soft-shell case!). This is going to INCREASE the total weight carried and cost MORE in fuel. No doubt they will then seek to find further cuts from cabin/flight crew expenditure somehow to cover this and lead us all in to another strike as a result. Again, utter madness. For a company which must surely piss away millions on consultants and MBA-toting wasters, I can't believe it appears BA have never heard of "joined-up thinking"
I don't want 3x23Kg. I can't think of a time when I'd ever have 3 cases of 23Kg each. Ever. I would be very happy to have (for example) "EITHER 1x32Kg OR 2x23Kg, sir, otherwise you must pay excess, sorry" though. If BA want to make my life easy and offer me a flexible, hassle free travel experience, that's what they should actually bloody offer - flexibility.
Likewise when travelling with others - pooling of luggage makes sense. That becomes less of a reality with a 23Kg limit and NO flexibility to pool the allowances of 2 or more people.
Every 'little' cut. Every stupid, ill-thought-through change. Every extra hassle. In aggregate, they're all noticed. They add up and just make regular travel that bit more depressing and less enjoyable. BA pissing off premium pax which are its lifeblood given the stated strategy of targeting the business markets, just makes no sense to me at all.
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Dec 13, 2006, 9:01 am
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Create the best possible airport experience by forcing us to pack more into out carry-on bags, so I can tote around useless kilograms whereas before I just checked them into the hold. I fail to see the improvement. This assuming of course BAA gets their act together and permits a normal amount of cabin luggage; but if not, we'll be forced to become like Brülč by spending countless hours debating the finer points of what to bring in a very limited amount of space. (The horror... I like chucking everything into my hold bag and then chucking it onto the conveyer belt.)I also notice that "simple" seems to be the new word in BA marketing. A simple seating policy. A simple baggage policy. A simple hand luggage policy. A simple Executive Club. Has simple become the new enhancement?
How much more simplified and enhanced is the flying experience to become???
Dec 13, 2006, 9:04 am
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... No. Why? It's entirely impractical for the lone business traveller (err, hello, did someone say 'target audience'? Oh, no, sadly nobody thought of that at BA again?) to lug around 3-4 items (2-3 checked, one hand luggage) to/from airports, ffs. It's even less practical for a family with a couple of small kids to lug around dozens of cases and 2 pushchairs, etc. The whole thing doesn't add up. Sigh.
Furhtermore, as my laptop now has to go into the cabin bag, I can't carry as much with me onto the plane and will need to put more into my hold bag.
Dec 13, 2006, 9:04 am
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Dec 13, 2006, 9:08 am
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But as it is, I often end carrying more for other people whenever I fly long-haul and/or shipping new own things (i.e. upcoming trip to reposition ski equipment from Seattle to Europe). Upcoming trip next week one entire suitcase is devoted to gifts alone, and half the other one is things for my parents. Lugging Christmas presents, presents from other people, clothing for other people (I always come back from the US with a Gap shipment for those deprived in the Netherlands), new cloths for myself, new books, old books (books weigh a lot), whatever... I'm not a business traveler obviously. When I do travel "on business" it is indeed only with a small suitcase.
If I take out everything not related purely to my immediate travel needs, I'd probably only have 20kg maximum. I also have wardrobes in three countries, so that helps. Poor people don't have wardrobes in three countries (not that I'm rich by any stretch of the imagination).
Dec 13, 2006, 9:14 am
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I also notice that "simple" seems to be the new word in BA marketing. A simple seating policy. A simple baggage policy. A simple hand luggage policy. A simple Executive Club. Has simple become the new enhancement?
How much more simplified and enhanced is the flying experience to become???
How much more simplified and enhanced is the flying experience to become???
Well, when the airline is run by a simpleton.....
Dec 13, 2006, 9:16 am
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I am wondering - are they doing this just so they can have a laugh at our expense?
I usually travel light. But occasionally I have a larger piece of luggage, (e.g. around christmas when i have a suitcase full of presents).
The day the check in agent tells me that I cannot check my suitcase in because it's heavier than 23kg, I will look him/ her in the eye, say thank you very much, cancel my booking, get my refund and walk over to any other airline that is happy to take me, my clothes and my presents all at once.
Again, this smacks of arrogance on BA's part - they might come to regret many of these policies come the next downturn.
I usually travel light. But occasionally I have a larger piece of luggage, (e.g. around christmas when i have a suitcase full of presents).
The day the check in agent tells me that I cannot check my suitcase in because it's heavier than 23kg, I will look him/ her in the eye, say thank you very much, cancel my booking, get my refund and walk over to any other airline that is happy to take me, my clothes and my presents all at once.
Again, this smacks of arrogance on BA's part - they might come to regret many of these policies come the next downturn.
Dec 13, 2006, 9:22 am
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