New Champagne - First (testing)
Jul 30, 2017, 3:58 am
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OT and perhaps it is just me, but I find that laying down Bollinger NV helps the wine become rounder and more enjoyable although it does not make it taste like a much better wine!
I often buy several cases a year via good Tesco promotions and am currently drinking Bollinger NV that I bought in 2014.
I often buy several cases a year via good Tesco promotions and am currently drinking Bollinger NV that I bought in 2014.
Jul 30, 2017, 9:48 am
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of course not. Of all 'prestige' champagnes Dom Perignon is one of those that least do it for me comparatively but the fact it belongs to the same House as Moet does not make it 'vintage moet'. It has its own specific vineyards within the property, its own vinification, its own master, etc. I'd personally incidentally rate it higher than Grand Sičcle.
I know a lot of people swear by p2, but personally I doubt it's a realistic option nor, for that matter, a priority, and if money were to be invested in making F a better experience, I can think of loads of things both on the ground and in the air that I would see as more crucial myself
I know a lot of people swear by p2, but personally I doubt it's a realistic option nor, for that matter, a priority, and if money were to be invested in making F a better experience, I can think of loads of things both on the ground and in the air that I would see as more crucial myself
Jul 30, 2017, 10:53 am
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Yep, JAL is hard to beat on this (with Salon). I cellar a lot of Taittinger's Comtes and that was always lovely to see in QF F - delicate, light - for me just perfect.
AA (!) served Philipponnat Clos des Goisses 2006 in F earlier in the year, which is a champagne with a lot of pedigree (And tastes pretty fab....)
AA (!) served Philipponnat Clos des Goisses 2006 in F earlier in the year, which is a champagne with a lot of pedigree (And tastes pretty fab....)
Jul 30, 2017, 11:01 am
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A lot of rubbish seems to be creeping into this thread. There is no such thing as non-vintage Dom Perignon. It is the prestige cuvé for Moët & Chandon, but it is not vintage Moët (that is branded as such). To imply DP is poor quality because belongs to the biggest selling Champagne brand says a lot about views of other stable mates at LVMH Moët Hennessy Louis Vuitton.
Previously we have had top marques prestige wines (e.g. LPGS) criticised for being non-vintage. This is more wine ignorance than wine snobbery.
This board can be very educational when those with genuine knowledge share their insight. This thread is not its finest hour.
Previously we have had top marques prestige wines (e.g. LPGS) criticised for being non-vintage. This is more wine ignorance than wine snobbery.
This board can be very educational when those with genuine knowledge share their insight. This thread is not its finest hour.
Many of the comments display ignorance and lack of knowledge.
If I was a dedicated wine maker I'd be offended.
Jul 30, 2017, 11:04 am
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Agree on your points except one; there is NV DP. It is sold in some night clubs and has a green flourescent label and tastes nothing like the vintage stuff. It tastes terrible actually. Was personally never a big fan of DP but the 2006 has proven to be much to our (myself and SWMBO) liking with its hints of caramel.
Many of the comments display ignorance and lack of knowledge.
If I was a dedicated wine maker I'd be offended.
Many of the comments display ignorance and lack of knowledge.
If I was a dedicated wine maker I'd be offended.
Jul 30, 2017, 11:08 am
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Agree on your points except one; there is NV DP. It is sold in some night clubs and has a green flourescent label and tastes nothing like the vintage stuff. It tastes terrible actually. Was personally never a big fan of DP but the 2006 has proven to be much to our (myself and SWMBO) liking with its hints of caramel.
Many of the comments display ignorance and lack of knowledge.
If I was a dedicated wine maker I'd be offended.
Many of the comments display ignorance and lack of knowledge.
If I was a dedicated wine maker I'd be offended.
I agree re the lack of knowledge on here it's cringeworthy. BA would have to invest a lot of money to make the wine list better - EK spends hundreds of millions of dollars each year for wines to serve in 10 years time. It's good that they are making changes - hopefully with some new hard products to come ^
Jul 30, 2017, 6:54 pm
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Agree on your points except one; there is NV DP. It is sold in some night clubs and has a green flourescent label and tastes nothing like the vintage stuff. It tastes terrible actually. Was personally never a big fan of DP but the 2006 has proven to be much to our (myself and SWMBO) liking with its hints of caramel.
Many of the comments display ignorance and lack of knowledge.
If I was a dedicated wine maker I'd be offended.
Many of the comments display ignorance and lack of knowledge.
If I was a dedicated wine maker I'd be offended.
Jul 30, 2017, 7:41 pm
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Agree on your points except one; there is NV DP. It is sold in some night clubs and has a green flourescent label and tastes nothing like the vintage stuff. It tastes terrible actually. Was personally never a big fan of DP but the 2006 has proven to be much to our (myself and SWMBO) liking with its hints of caramel.
Many of the comments display ignorance and lack of knowledge.
If I was a dedicated wine maker I'd be offended.
Many of the comments display ignorance and lack of knowledge.
If I was a dedicated wine maker I'd be offended.
For those who don't know, vintage champagne is simply champagne made from grapes harvested in a single year. This is only done in exceptional years, of which there are normally 3-4 in a decade. Vintage champagnes must also be left to mature for at least 3 years, as opposed to 1.5 years for non-vintage. Dom Perignon is always left for at least 7-8 years for the 1st plenitude and around 18 for the 2nd (P2).
Funnily enough, the 2000 P2 was just released this week and I now keep seeing adverts for it everywhere!
Jul 30, 2017, 9:34 pm
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Sorry, Petrus, but I have to disagree. Dom Perignon is always a vintage champagne. The green fluorescent bottle you refer to is standard Dom Perignon, but with a button in the dimple at the bottom of the bottle (the punt), which causes the label to glow for about 8 hours. It's more an ostentatious way to show off in a club than anything else, but the contents of the bottle are still the same.
For those who don't know, vintage champagne is simply champagne made from grapes harvested in a single year. This is only done in exceptional years, of which there are normally 3-4 in a decade. Vintage champagnes must also be left to mature for at least 3 years, as opposed to 1.5 years for non-vintage. Dom Perignon is always left for at least 7-8 years for the 1st plenitude and around 18 for the 2nd (P2).
Funnily enough, the 2000 P2 was just released this week and I now keep seeing adverts for it everywhere!
For those who don't know, vintage champagne is simply champagne made from grapes harvested in a single year. This is only done in exceptional years, of which there are normally 3-4 in a decade. Vintage champagnes must also be left to mature for at least 3 years, as opposed to 1.5 years for non-vintage. Dom Perignon is always left for at least 7-8 years for the 1st plenitude and around 18 for the 2nd (P2).
Funnily enough, the 2000 P2 was just released this week and I now keep seeing adverts for it everywhere!
Jul 31, 2017, 1:20 am
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My favourite Champagne on board in recent times was Henri Giraud Fut de Chene MV09 on ANA in May. I was going to have the Krug but this was really quite something, a huge masculine mouth, certainly bigger than Krug NV.
Jul 31, 2017, 2:18 am
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How interesting!
I think, but I may be wrong, that she was given the indication that her services were no longer necessary and the whole BA premium wine selection board just died a slow death.
I think, but I may be wrong, that she was given the indication that her services were no longer necessary and the whole BA premium wine selection board just died a slow death.
Jul 31, 2017, 6:16 am
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The OH and I were invited to a customer event at Le Gavroche a month or so ago, and I unexpectedly found myself sat next to Jancis Robinson, apparently she used to be on the BA wine "board" for some years, I should've asked why she resigned from the role.
My favourite Champagne on board in recent times was Henri Giraud Fut de Chene MV09 on ANA in May. I was going to have the Krug but this was really quite something, a huge masculine mouth, certainly bigger than Krug NV.
My favourite Champagne on board in recent times was Henri Giraud Fut de Chene MV09 on ANA in May. I was going to have the Krug but this was really quite something, a huge masculine mouth, certainly bigger than Krug NV.
As for the talk on here "the ignorance on this thread is amazing", "this isn't the thread's finest hour", etc etc - I'm assuming this is because people are talking predominantly in terms of the wines they like, rather than basing it on a Parker's rating or some other such criteria as I'm sure you'll see fit to apply
Jul 31, 2017, 6:25 am
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As for the talk on here "the ignorance on this thread is amazing", "this isn't the thread's finest hour", etc etc - I'm assuming this is because people are talking predominantly in terms of the wines they like, rather than basing it on a Parker's rating or some other such criteria as I'm sure you'll see fit to apply
Jul 31, 2017, 7:12 am
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She resigned due to BA's continual cost-cutting on their wines; she didn't want to damage her own 'brand' by being seen to associate herself with BA's wines at their (then) state. See this: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/14583323-post229.html
As for the talk on here "the ignorance on this thread is amazing", "this isn't the thread's finest hour", etc etc - I'm assuming this is because people are talking predominantly in terms of the wines they like, rather than basing it on a Parker's rating or some other such criteria as I'm sure you'll see fit to apply
As for the talk on here "the ignorance on this thread is amazing", "this isn't the thread's finest hour", etc etc - I'm assuming this is because people are talking predominantly in terms of the wines they like, rather than basing it on a Parker's rating or some other such criteria as I'm sure you'll see fit to apply