Dec 13, 2016, 11:12 pm
Last edit by: NWIFlyer
Routes to/from LGW*/LCY/STN are NOT affected. Only flights to/from LHR* are potentially affected. If you think you may be affected, post 2714 (click here) may be helpful.
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
Ballot results for industrial action:
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
- None
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
- 25th December 2016 from 00:01 for 48 hours. (Strike action was suspended following ACAS discussions and revised offer.)
- 10th & 11th January 2017
- 19th January 2017 for 72 hours until 21st January
- 5th-7th & 9th-11th February 2017
- 17th-20th February 2017
- 22nd-25th February 2017
- 3rd-9th March 2017
- 16th-19th June 2017 (suspended pending further ACAS talks)
- 1st-16th July 2017
- 19th July-1st August 2017
- 2nd-15th August 2017
- 16th-30th August 2017
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
- Latest negotiated position (@ 23rd Oct 2017) between BA & Unite to be balloted. Rumoured that the union is recommending acceptance.
Ballot results for industrial action:
- First ballot, November 2016: Yes 79.5%, No 20.5%
- Second ballot, December 2016: Yes 70%, No 30%
- Third ballot, March 2017: Yes 56%, No 44%, turnout 72%
BA 'Mixed Fleet' cabin crew dispute [agreement reached]
Mar 11, 2017, 6:37 am
#2296
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You have to have not flown on any aircraft type for 90 days and the specific aircraft type for 180 days. Since the strike is only 70 days old (and is over for at least a month) that seems to be more wishful thinking than reality (and I find it hard to believe that more than a handful have not flown at all in that period). Anyone who looks like going out of type recency will just find their rosters changing.
Mar 11, 2017, 7:52 am
#2298
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How are strikers going out of recency?
You have to have not flown on any aircraft type for 90 days and the specific aircraft type for 180 days. Since the strike is only 70 days old (and is over for at least a month) that seems to be more wishful thinking than reality (and I find it hard to believe that more than a handful have not flown at all in that period). Anyone who looks like going out of type recency will just find their rosters changing.
You have to have not flown on any aircraft type for 90 days and the specific aircraft type for 180 days. Since the strike is only 70 days old (and is over for at least a month) that seems to be more wishful thinking than reality (and I find it hard to believe that more than a handful have not flown at all in that period). Anyone who looks like going out of type recency will just find their rosters changing.
Mar 11, 2017, 8:07 am
#2299
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So do you think that BA are unaware of this and don't have any contingency plans in place to deal with it? Dream on
Mar 11, 2017, 8:13 am
#2300
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Of course they aware but it's causing problems as if the number of flights going with less crew and customer complaints, also the extra cost for leasing aircraft and extra security.
Mar 11, 2017, 8:22 am
#2301
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OK good point. But that's still going to be an absolute maximum of about 1 in 8 strikers or about 1 in 20 mixed fleet crew, so 200ish total. That's not going to cause a significant issue and will take no more than a week or 2 to sort out.
Mar 11, 2017, 8:24 am
#2302
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Most of the extra security people at CRC etc are volunteers.
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Mar 11, 2017, 8:31 am
#2303
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Given that no further dates have been announced in the current batch I think we can probably assume that there wont be any more until the next ballot result. Although I think there's a theoretical short window (with 14 days notice) before the 12 weeks protected action expires.
Mar 11, 2017, 8:42 am
#2304
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I wish there was some way of making those who vote for strike action to take it, around 25% of MF are striking but was it 95% voted for it in the last ballot?
It will be interesting to see how many vote for it next time, those voting for it yet still going still going into work are the lowest of the low.
It will be interesting to see how many vote for it next time, those voting for it yet still going still going into work are the lowest of the low.
Mar 11, 2017, 8:49 am
#2305
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I wish there was some way of making those who vote for strike action to take it, around 25% of MF are striking but was it 95% voted for it in the last ballot?
It will be interesting to see how many vote for it next time, those voting for it yet still going still going into work are the lowest of the low.
It will be interesting to see how many vote for it next time, those voting for it yet still going still going into work are the lowest of the low.
The low turnout for the strikes was completely predictable given the nature of the workforce and the fact that Unite had failed to ask for any lifestyle changes, which in my experience is at least as big an issue in MF as money.
Mar 11, 2017, 8:54 am
#2307
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I think it would be only human nature to allow an expression of anger in a ballot vote that costs nothing, but in the cold light of day be afraid of actually going ahead with striking with all the consequences that cost so much.
Mar 26, 2017, 6:52 am
#2308
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I only skim read the Unite notice to ballot that a CSM showed me the other day. I believe it opens on the 16th and has to be open for a week, so at least a fortnight until the results are known. Its then a minimum 14 days notice before any strike.
Given that no further dates have been announced in the current batch I think we can probably assume that there wont be any more until the next ballot result. Although I think there's a theoretical short window (with 14 days notice) before the 12 weeks protected action expires.
Given that no further dates have been announced in the current batch I think we can probably assume that there wont be any more until the next ballot result. Although I think there's a theoretical short window (with 14 days notice) before the 12 weeks protected action expires.
Mar 26, 2017, 8:43 am
#2309
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The people that love the turnover are two groups. Firstly, the recruiters. I do not know any BA CC recruiters, but if they are like other recruiters I have met, then some folk might think that they are lucky to have a job.
The other group that love turnover are the CC trainers. The group that became infamous during the last strike, although I would imagine that BA have moved on some of the, er, more interesting individuals.
The other group that love turnover are the CC trainers. The group that became infamous during the last strike, although I would imagine that BA have moved on some of the, er, more interesting individuals.
Mar 26, 2017, 9:33 am
#2310
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I am not sure how they became infamous, but I received some of the best service ever from one of these CC trainers on my LHR BUD CE flight a year or so ago. He said he flies very occasionally and he was clearly enjoying the customer contact and I so wish many of those he trains were like him.