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Club Europe and EuroTraveller will be launched on UK domestic routes on 01 April 2017.
What does this mean for those of us with existing bookings for travel from April onwards?
Earning Avios and Tier Points
Spending Avios
What does this mean for those of us with existing bookings for travel from April onwards?
- If your ticket was booked into J, C, D, R, I, or U fare classes, you will travel in the CE cabin and will enjoy lounge access plus the usual fast track benefits and special meal options that come with CE.
- If your ticket was booked into the Y bucket, you will be rebooked for free into J (Club Europe) and the above benefits will apply. This should happen automatically well in advance of travel. If your ticket was not issued by BA, you should contact the issuing airline to make sure this change is properly processed.
- If your ticket was booked into B, H, K, M, L, V, N, Q, O, S, G fare classes, you will travel in the ET cabin and all elements of the airport and cabin experience will the same as before.
- If your ticket was booked into the X fare bucket (economy class redemption), then you will travel in the ET cabin above. However, if this was part of a longhaul club or first ticket, it may be possible to be rebooked for free into the U (Club Europe) bucket. You will have to call BA to accomplish this change.
Earning Avios and Tier Points
- Q, O, and G class will earn 125 Avios and 5 TP per sector (no change)
- K, L, M, N, S, and V class will earn 250 Avios and 10 TP per sector (no change)
- Y*, B, and H class will earn 500 Avios and 20 TP per sector (no change)
- R and I class will earn 750 Avios and 40 TP per sector
- J, C, and D class will earn 1250 Avios and 40 TP per sector.
Spending Avios
- X will be the redemption class for EuroTraveller
- U will be the redemption class for Club Europe
Club Europe to be introduced on UK domestic flights [launches 01 April 2017]
#46
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Brighton, UK
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I for one take the train in preference to a DOM flight precisely because there is no CE cabin.
If BA are now going to offer CE, I would expect it to be the same as CE on JER, BRU or CDG.
Why would BA want to do anything different?
80 TPs to Man with Champagne and a salad. What's not to like?
If BA are now going to offer CE, I would expect it to be the same as CE on JER, BRU or CDG.
Why would BA want to do anything different?
80 TPs to Man with Champagne and a salad. What's not to like?
#48
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: South East, UK
Programs: BA Gold / GfL, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 2,432
Or maybe BA will see this as an opportunity to create a reduced TP earning band that will impact other established routes too! I'd better not give them any ideas there
#49
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: City of Kingston Upon Hull
Programs: BAEC Gold
Posts: 4,940
#50
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Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: London
Posts: 17,007
Will their connecting domestic leg automatically book into the new domestic CE though? There's been the recent change where the domestic connection for CE bookings from the regions now book into I rather than J and no longer get lounge access at their domestic departure airport.
#52
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#53
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Gloucestershire
Programs: BA Gold (ex-GGL, maybe future Silver), Hilton Diamond
Posts: 6,198
Meh. It'll be a bit pointless as a standalone product but it has its own logic for connecting traffic and those who demand Club at any cost.
I barely fly domestic anyway so it won't affect me but there will be good sale fares, probably better availability for short notice redemptions (EDI/GLA?) and it helps some people out.
If I were a regular economy commuter with status and a fondness for row 1 might be annoyed though.
I barely fly domestic anyway so it won't affect me but there will be good sale fares, probably better availability for short notice redemptions (EDI/GLA?) and it helps some people out.
If I were a regular economy commuter with status and a fondness for row 1 might be annoyed though.
#54
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: South East, UK
Programs: BA Gold / GfL, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 2,432
There are plenty of people sitting in CE on flights to CDG, BRU, AMS, etc. Some will be connecting, others will just be going point-to-point. There will be people who have business class travel policies, people who just value a bit more space and of course crazy FlyerTalkers!
#55
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: London
Programs: BA Silver, IHG Spire, Radisson Gold
Posts: 991
Well, I've mixed views.
I like the idea of having a fare which means I can pay the fare and not have to worry about extra charges for food, bags, etc etc. That is what originally drew me to BA vs the LCCs. You know that once you've bought the ticket, you're sorted.
I like the idea of being able to get my domestic breakfast back, though despite my love of the current one, the quality will have to improve if it is to be a J offering. Maybe it'll just a free M&S bacon roll?
But then on the other hand, my employer isn't going to pay for business class on an hour-long flight to GLA, which means I will lose my front row seat, which is a massive disadvantage to me.
What they *will* pay for is first class on a 4.5 hour train journey (our policy is J over 4 hours in the air, 1st over 2 hours on the train), so that becomes even more appealing.
BA have irritated me enough recently that I have stopped using them exclusively. Tomorrow I'm going on my first EZY flight in 6 years (admittedly a flexi ticket to ease myself in gently), and recently I've been rolling around the country on Pendolinos which has been most enjoyable in first class.
So ultimately I think it might be another nail in the coffin for me flying BA domestically. Funny, a year ago I wouldn't have dreamt of not flying BA to Scotland. Now I'm enjoying trying all the different ways I can get there.
I like the idea of having a fare which means I can pay the fare and not have to worry about extra charges for food, bags, etc etc. That is what originally drew me to BA vs the LCCs. You know that once you've bought the ticket, you're sorted.
I like the idea of being able to get my domestic breakfast back, though despite my love of the current one, the quality will have to improve if it is to be a J offering. Maybe it'll just a free M&S bacon roll?
But then on the other hand, my employer isn't going to pay for business class on an hour-long flight to GLA, which means I will lose my front row seat, which is a massive disadvantage to me.
What they *will* pay for is first class on a 4.5 hour train journey (our policy is J over 4 hours in the air, 1st over 2 hours on the train), so that becomes even more appealing.
BA have irritated me enough recently that I have stopped using them exclusively. Tomorrow I'm going on my first EZY flight in 6 years (admittedly a flexi ticket to ease myself in gently), and recently I've been rolling around the country on Pendolinos which has been most enjoyable in first class.
So ultimately I think it might be another nail in the coffin for me flying BA domestically. Funny, a year ago I wouldn't have dreamt of not flying BA to Scotland. Now I'm enjoying trying all the different ways I can get there.
#57
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: London
Programs: BA Silver Seigneur des Horaires des Mucci.
Posts: 2,047
I for one take the train in preference to a DOM flight precisely because there is no CE cabin.
If BA are now going to offer CE, I would expect it to be the same as CE on JER, BRU or CDG.
Why would BA want to do anything different?
80 TPs to Man with Champagne and a salad. What's not to like?
If BA are now going to offer CE, I would expect it to be the same as CE on JER, BRU or CDG.
Why would BA want to do anything different?
80 TPs to Man with Champagne and a salad. What's not to like?
Well overdue
Always thought BA domestic was a positively horrible experience; rammed into 3:3 seating; actually prefer flybe for domestic at present
#58
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Scotland
Programs: BA Silver, Hilton Diamond, BD Blue (RIP)
Posts: 1,982
Are we entirely certain that by this we mean Band 1 CE? There's a bit of me that wonder if, faced with the revenue loss of flying at least 6 empty seats on every flight, BA invents Club UK. Exactly the same as economy but with a CE salad and drinks trolley. 3-3 seating for all.
#59
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 6,349
I for one take the train in preference to a DOM flight precisely because there is no CE cabin.
If BA are now going to offer CE, I would expect it to be the same as CE on JER, BRU or CDG.
Why would BA want to do anything different?
80 TPs to Man with Champagne and a salad. What's not to like?
If BA are now going to offer CE, I would expect it to be the same as CE on JER, BRU or CDG.
Why would BA want to do anything different?
80 TPs to Man with Champagne and a salad. What's not to like?
#60
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: South East, UK
Programs: BA Gold / GfL, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 2,432
I've never really understood the obsession with front row seats. Yes, it's nice to be off quickly, but I think people who use terms like "massive disadvantage" when the choice will probably be a row 5 or 6 further back are exaggerating the
inconvenience somewhat. Unless I'm missing some "massive" advantage.
Just to add some context. I'm 6'2" and prefer to sit in row 2 or 3 rather than 1, simply so I can have easy access to my hand luggage under the seat in front and avoid the need to hunt for luggage rack space further back.
inconvenience somewhat. Unless I'm missing some "massive" advantage.
Just to add some context. I'm 6'2" and prefer to sit in row 2 or 3 rather than 1, simply so I can have easy access to my hand luggage under the seat in front and avoid the need to hunt for luggage rack space further back.